Alliance Claire Redfield

[animefanrk2k]

Just figured I'd note that I completely shut down animefanrk2k's Alliance Claire Redfield today in a very simple way: I was playing a mega-draw deck using Gathering Forces/Fierce Battle/Ominous Battle and in one turn I just bought up 4 of the 5 red herbs and convinced the 3rd player to buy the last one. Thereafter I just Ominoused them away then bought them back with my extra buys. In a four player game everybody could split them up without hosing their decks too badly.

T'was an excellent ploy. It brought my explores to an almost standstill with only single explores into the mansion, since I didn't have any worthwhile weapons to buy, haha~

[TsuKiyoMe]

That strategy works however the smart Claire player uses their 1st/2nd/3rd purchase to hold one red herb the whole game. This slows her down, yes, but it insures that no matter what you cannot stop her dominance once she goes off. That's why I'm asking if the card can have the second effect override the first. It's just plain silly. She's easily at the top of the stack and the only team I think that really stands a shot at beating it is probably Jill (Brainedwashed)/Leon (Set 1) because it gets started so stupidly early (I was set up to explore the mansion every turn starting on turn 3 for the rest of the game).

[The Enforcer]

I know this is an old topic, but even without Gathering Forces, I see other ways that this methodology can still be broken. I know Tylar addressed this issue on the previous page, and that is how we have been playing the whole time Red + Green trashed = (20 + 20) * 2 = 80. As I look at the wording again and applying some programmer's logic, I think there is a way to interpret it differently and make the mechanic itself a little less broken.

The initial text says "When you trash a 'Green Herb' or 'Red Herb' from your hand... another way that I read this is 'When you go to trash one or the other..." not "Every time you trash one or the other...." the act of trashing Both a Red & Green completes the 'OR' conditional operator. I trashed both herbs at the same time (due to the red herb effect) therefore it is 'true' that I trashed a Red OR Green. This is significant in that the act of only using these 2 herbs would net Claire only a max of 40 Damage (20 (Level 1)) * 2 (Level 2).

In order for Claire to do additional damage under this concept would require a single Green Herb for 20, and then a Red & Green for the double in which case would get the normally assumed 80 points of damage.

A AND B is not equal to A OR B. The red herb's effect causes both to be used at the same time therefore it is not A THEN B which would be needed for effect 1 to kick in for a 20 Then 20 bonus.

I know this is contrary to official ruling, but I believe that there is still room for this logical interpretation of it based on the wording. If the official ruling were to remain, I think the card should read "For every Green or Red Herb that is trashed from your hand..." extra 20, etc.

I know popular opinion may not consider her as broken anymore either, BUT the existing levels still provides the means of doing 80 damage for 2 cards shy of a rocket launcher is still higher than any other 2 card combo I'm aware of. 40 Damage: 2 Cards however is not. Even the Minigun + Claire (Premier) is only 40 Damage:2 Cards.

Long Awaited Dawn + Drawing could allow Claire to do (20 + 20 + 20 + 20) * 2 * 2 = 320 Damage:4 Cards. I still think that's broken.

[NateXero]

Claire + Yoko = EPIC PWN! IMO Yoko with almost anybody = Win.

[ahrion]

You're missing a critical point to Claire's abilities.

She needs to have a reason to be trashing the herbs in the first place to activate either of her abilities. The wording is "When you Trash", it doesn't say "You may Trash". So you can't just trash an herb for no reason and activate her ability.

You would have to be Trashing the herb(s) by using them to heal, which you can't do if you and your partner are at full health. Or if you are trashing them due to an Action you've played. Also note the wording "from your Hand". So Shattered Memories wouldn't help you here either, because it trashes cards from your discard pile.

So, she has to either be healing, or playing Ominous Battle, or Quirk of Fate, to be able to activate her abilities.

Got a question here.
So if i trash the Green Herb due to an action, can I still benefit from the healing effects of the Green Herb and gain 20 hp?

[135forte]

Got a question here.
So if i trash the Green Herb due to an action, can I still benefit from the healing effects of the Green Herb and gain 20 hp?

No, you do not. You have to Trash it for it's own effect to get the health.