Shino'sDad Weekend Q&A Extravaganza

[Brocsta876]

That's very true. I can see that extremely screwing my over. For my local meta it shouldn't be too much of a problem, though. I know some players side-deck Sabiru but at least Game 1 should go well.

And that's what my side-deck is for, although you can't really counter Sabiru AFAIK

[MJM]

Originally Posted by kunoalpha

Well don't be surprised if a play goes

Mission Phase:

you Deploy Pakkun

opponent removes ninja that can negate from the hand to negate pakkun

end turn Jonin's intervention still Kills your Ninja,

happened to me a lot in playtesting.

What? Pakkun negates the Mission on your opponent's turn. Sabiru can't stop it.

[kunoalpha]

Originally Posted by MJM

What? Pakkun negates the Mission on your opponent's turn. Sabiru can't stop it.

Oh I thought he read Attacker|Mission, I need to stop being bad at reading my cards.

Speaking of which my friend asked me

"Can you negate Sabiru with another card that can negate ninjas?"

and my response was

"I don't believe so because when you remove Sabiru from the hand he's still a Ninja Card and not a ninja present on the field, and things that target "Ninja(s)" don't target Ninja Cards."

I'm 70% sure I'm right, but can I get a check to verify?

[Shodaime]

Originally Posted by kunoalpha

Oh I thought he read Attacker|Mission, I need to stop being bad at reading my cards.

Speaking of which my friend asked me

"Can you negate Sabiru with another card that can negate ninjas?"

and my response was

"I don't believe so because when you remove Sabiru from the hand he's still a Ninja Card and not a ninja present on the field, and things that target "Ninja(s)" don't target Ninja Cards."

I'm 70% sure I'm right, but can I get a check to verify?

You can't. If you want to negate a sabiru, you need something like the fire/wind kurenai.

[Bumblebee]

Can N-1383 The 6th Hokage (ruling with a fist) target himself for his effect? and would the effect still go off since he isn't valid? I'm assuming he can target himself because it says injure 1 ninja you control, not 1 "other" ninja you control, but would I still be able to give a damage to their 6 drop ninja since he's not valid? So I guess the question is does paying the cost of the effect automatically enable you to complete the effect that you paid for regardless of whether or not he is valid, or do you pay for the effect but then not be able to complete it due to it not being valid?

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by Bumblebee

Can N-1383 The 6th Hokage (ruling with a fist) target himself for his effect? and would the effect still go off since he isn't valid? I'm assuming he can target himself because it says injure 1 ninja you control, not 1 "other" ninja you control, but would I still be able to give a damage to their 6 drop ninja since he's not valid? So I guess the question is does paying the cost of the effect automatically enable you to complete the effect that you paid for regardless of whether or not he is valid, or do you pay for the effect but then not be able to complete it due to it not being valid?

When an effect resolves, if the source of that effect is a Ninja, and that Ninja is not valid and is now injured, the effect will fail to resolve. The same goes for if that Ninja happens to not be in play anymore for some reason.

The one and only exception to this rule is if the cost of said effect from that Ninja is what is actually removing that Ninja from play. Examples include Ink Eagle discarding itself as part of the cost.

So in the case of The 6th Hokage [Ruling with a Fist], while he can legally injure himself as the cost of his effect, and target a Ninja, his effect will fail to resolve off the chain when the time for it to due so comes, because he isn't valid.

[Seiko]

I have a question.

So i wanted to learn more about the end phase.

Assume your opponent uses his suigetsu + human path combo, AFTER human path's effect resolve.

During the end phase, does human path even attempt to activate to return said cards?

If it does activate to return said cards, if my opponent used his own suigetsu to negate his own human path. Does suigetsu's negation resolve? Letting human path activate and resolve during the end phase?

How does effect negation itself apply during the end phase?

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by Seiko

I have a question.

So i wanted to learn more about the end phase.

Assume your opponent uses his suigetsu + human path combo, AFTER human path's effect resolve.

During the end phase, does human path even attempt to activate to return said cards?

If it does activate to return said cards, if my opponent used his own suigetsu to negate his own human path. Does suigetsu's negation resolve? Letting human path activate and resolve during the end phase?

How does effect negation itself apply during the end phase?

Negating Human Path after it successfully resolves will do nothing. The cost is removing the two cards from your opponent's hand, and the effect sets a condition when it resolves that those two cards will return to their hand at the end of the turn. Human Path can be negated, injured, or discarded entirely and those cards will still go back, so long as Human Path actually resolved.

The only way to keep those cards from coming back for good it to negate his effect while it is on the chain. Once that is done, his effect will fail to resolve. The cost was still paid, as you Must pay the cost of an effect in order to add it to the chain, but since the effect was negated before it could resolve, the condition to return the cards was never set.

[Demon69]

If i play fire lord and use tobi as the discard would i be able to draw 3 and get the effect of tobi? (The one that searches for a card and gets put in brs)


Do the effects of Guidance, student and sensei, warhawk, hidan, count as my opponents winning a battle reward?


If Sa***o uses overwhelming power does this count for his effect? Does it count if he uses shadow windmill?

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Demon69

If i play fire lord and use tobi as the discard would i be able to draw 3 and get the effect of tobi? (The one that searches for a card and gets put in brs)


Do the effects of Guidance, student and sensei, warhawk, hidan, count as my opponents winning a battle reward?


If Sa***o uses overwhelming power does this count for his effect? Does it count if he uses shadow windmill?

1) Assuming this works like After the Battle/Revitalize, since Tobi's effect, like Revitalize, is a replacement effect, then no you would not draw the 3 cards because The Fire Lord sets up a "cost" or condition to be fulfilled. Tobi being moved to the Battle Reward Area would not fulfill this condition of discarding the Ninja. I feel like I'm missing something though so Shino'sDad should confirm/deny this later. I'm most likely ruling this as how I believe it should work.

2) Unless something has changed that I don't know about, if it specifically says "win", then yes. This means Guidance, The Warhawk and Hidan (Curse Mode) have your opponent "win" Battle Rewards while Student and Sensei and Hidan [Immortal Soul] do not.

3) Overwhelming Power would not trigger Sakumo's effect because it is the Jutsu that is winning the Battle Reward, not Sakumo himself. Shadow Windmill actually gives the effect of "Valid: When this Ninja would win any Victory, you win 1 Battle Reward" to Sakmuo. Since it is Sa***o's effect, his effect would trigger.