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Old 12-26-2012, 12:05 PM
maseky maseky is offline
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poor revitalize.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:37 PM
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I agree with some but not all of what you said. If you have a hand of mission negation and dont draw your war hawk to re fuel the hand its really not that strong. Its the combination. I am still sticking with war hawk at 2 and tree jutsu or ino to 1. Then other decks get a chance. Yes other decks can beat those two but what is the win ratio percentage? 1 out of 10 wins means squat. The consistency that war hawk or ino offers it what makes revitalize and fire-x so consistent and does the best at tournaments. Look at the results of the last few. Maybe I would change my tune with the introduction of the new set but I dont see any real meta changing cards, though we have some good sideboard cards! lol (Yes we have void but the amount of skill required to run it successfully will limit its popularity)

Example: Everyone is talking about JI and in play testing what makes it good is war hawk refueling your hand after the momumental minus when you combo. WHen hand is low... mind transfer is very scary...just sayin.... What normally would be a low percentage win strategy is now a "thing" because of what war hawk offers. Ino is also crazy but this is already a WALL OF TEXT.
The Mission Negation was against the argument of giving other elements draw power like The Warhawk. Using Mission Negation and following up with a Warhawk makes it just that much better.

You seem to be making up these ratios and percentages so that's not going to support anything. Actual tournament results will tell. While it is true that Warhawk and Ino both offer great consistency to their respective decks, neither have to be hit. The Warhawk getting hit is probably the best call right now; it is easy to see how strong and overpowered of a card it is, even without any tournament results. I do agree that moving it to 2 is a good choice but it doesn't really do anything. The card is still strong. Most games use 2 Warhawks and the 3rd is a Hand Cost. The limiting just lowers the chance of getting it. Limiting it to 1 is good in that it evens out the game but makes Fire "sacky".

As far as Ino goes, I'm not against her getting hit, but I'm not for her getting hit either. She's obviously a strong card, but she's one of the sole cards in Revitalize that mills. Tenten mills only if you ditch an off color card which means you have to splash more or play Earth/X. Asuma is really late to start the milling. I can see her going to 2, but to 1 or 0 is too much.

The card that, in my opinion, makes the Earth deck really over the top is Mind Transfer Jutsu. It is, in essence, a removal Jutsu that can be used as early as Turn 1 combined with an extra Ninja in your Team. It's obvious that Earth has one of the weakest early games in the format, power wise. MTJ fixes that problem in unhealthy ways. It removes the opponent's Ninja and moves it to your Team, for usually a whole turn rotation. In most cases this is an OV. It, at the least, -1's your opponent's board and +1's your board, possibly permanently, all for 2 Chakra. I feel like if Earth didn't have MTJ, other elements could actually do something while Earth was trying to set up for the STS spam.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:49 PM
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Percentages are really based on your own experieces. Some people pilot decks to better percentages than others do. But if I cant beat most of the meta at least 6 out 10 games the stack of cards becomes the "fun" deck. That being said I defitnitely agree with what you said with war hawk. I agree with MTJ, but on the converse side if it leaves, then earth only has one option of play which is tree spam (well I guess earth perm). MTJ widens the options so other decks can be played. We dont need earth taking the path of water....an element with no jutsu, missions to speak of (ok organization of peace), or ninja (honorable mention: jirobo vanilla, sea monster, karin, new ukataka).

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Old 12-26-2012, 01:01 PM
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Percentages are really based on your own experieces. Some people pilot decks to better percentages than others do. But if I cant beat most of the meta at least 6 out 10 games the stack of cards becomes the "fun" deck. That being said I defitnitely agree with what you said with war hawk. I agree with MTJ, but on the converse side if it leaves, then earth only has one option of play which is tree spam (well I guess earth perm). MTJ widens the options so other decks can be played. We dont need earth taking the path of water....an element with no jutsu, missions to speak of (ok organization of peace), or ninja (honorable mention: jirobo vanilla, sea monster, karin, new ukataka).
Mono-Earth can be played without MTJ nor STS. I'm not saying ban MTJ, limiting it to 1 or 2 even would be fine. However, what's done is done.

It's funny you make that comparison, even though it's extreme since Earth has better Jutsu than Water even if MTJ is hit, because Water is the antithesis of Earth. Water beats Earth this format with relative ease, when compared to Earth against other decks.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:35 PM
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Mono-Earth can be played without MTJ nor STS. I'm not saying ban MTJ, limiting it to 1 or 2 even would be fine. However, what's done is done.

It's funny you make that comparison, even though it's extreme since Earth has better Jutsu than Water even if MTJ is hit, because Water is the antithesis of Earth. Water beats Earth this format with relative ease, when compared to Earth against other decks.
Yup ban list is out. But you made good sensible arguments so I like the debate unlike many on this site. I only make the comparison because those are my favorite elements to play. I would also disagree both water and earth have a control like play style. I would say the opposite is more like lightning and fire imho
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:59 PM
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Yup ban list is out. But you made good sensible arguments so I like the debate unlike many on this site. I only make the comparison because those are my favorite elements to play. I would also disagree both water and earth have a control like play style. I would say the opposite is more like lightning and fire imho
While Water and Earth both play with a control style to them, Water vs Earth has Water at the advantage due to the fact that Earth controls by making Battles not want to occur, while Water controls without having to Battle at all.
If Earth is trying to get to 5 or 6 in order to Tree spam, Water just picks their field apart without worrying about not being able to reliably Attack anyways.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:32 PM
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I can't beleive they didn't hit hidan
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:57 PM
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I can't beleive they didn't hit hidan
I can...u were legit the only person to even mention the card
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:02 PM
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I can...u were legit the only person to even mention the card
successfully trolled.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:06 PM
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successfully trolled.
or was it u who was trolled?
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