Predictions

[TheLastHokage]

Woah.

I mean, even if the interview is fake, being fake, it still makes more sense than "Obito being Tobi", heck, it was even better when they said Madara was Tobi.

Now, I supposed that because Yamato looked like Hiruko, he was Hiruko.
And because Tobi said he was Madara, he was Madara.
And, if Naruto, a Genin, Mastered and created his own Transformation Technique, a full grown man, leader of Akatsuki and insanely genius person couldn't make a better way of looking like someone else.

Also back in Chapter 510, when Tobi gets his mask broken by Konan, his left eye had a black sclera, something that revived people have.

I could proceed, but have no time.
Mr. ACTION******, sir, I urge you to reconsider making your mind, a little more, flexible. This series have proved that anything can happen, and he always tell us how and why. Tobi can be Obito, but he has to explain more and risk getting less viewers that way.

[pyrot53]

Originally Posted by allanime01

Oh look! It's an interview with the creator from Comic MArket 78!

For the record, your little bash parade on claiming Hokage is trolling would be nice, except I don't see you providing literally any other theory or support? I mean Tobi = Izuna has potential, motivation, and if the right cir****tances are revealed will explain a WHOLE lot more than would be if it were Obito. So let's counter those counters you made:
1) Yeah
2) Madara is not Tobi, remember? Madara could have very well stolen Izuna's eyes and Tobi (Izuna) could claim that they were given. Why? Tobi is a manipulative A-hole. Why not?
3) Assuming Izuna killed Madara and not the other way around as we were told (CH. 386), Izuna fought the first hokage all those years ago, under the guise of Madara. I believe that's the implication.
4) Thing is, you think any HEALTHY ninja couldn't have taken on Izuna? Dude would have been old, weak, like Orochimaru when HE needed the transfer (only less so cause Orochi was a sannin) Sasuke's fetus? None of the characters we saw grow up were even THOUGHT of concieved. Hell KAkashi is freaking 12 at this point! So yeah, maybe the poor weak man had to take what he could get. He takes the body, revives and fixes it, and then starts Akatsuki up. Is it any crazier than "Oh hey Obito magically survived and is also now inexplicably evil!" at all?
5) explained in 4. It's all he had to take. Though Hokage you're wrong on the healing thing. Obito was way near dead. Izuna either took the body AT the last moment of death and healed himself, or he wouldn't have taken it. No way Izuna revives a ninja and risks not getting the body.
6) Again, covered it. It's just as likely as Obito magically staying alive. Really dude? Is "Nah" you're smartest argument? and you called Hokage dumb?
7) Hokage, that's a bit of a stretch. I think Izuna killed Madara for his eyes, rather than the other way around as we were told. He would have had too for anything else you claim to have happened. Then after Madara's body began to rot and decay and grow old, he took Tobi's
8-10) Action a-hole here is right on these. Nagato, Yahiko (Deva Path) and Konan were the orphans. Jiraiya trained them. Yahiko starts Akatsuki who at this point are basically just rebel ninjas that want peace. Yahiko dies in a battle and Nagato fully awakens rinnegan, creating the 6 paths with Yahiko as Deva.
11) Check that there interview bro. As it is, Konoha was made by a hokage and a foundation member sending a double agent Uchiha into the Uchihas to kill them all, while THAT agent was already being manipulated by a masked man who also knew the dark secrets and more (or so he claimed) That's pretty dark already, and apparently it's gonna get worse.

So yeah, with the exception of 8-10, all you did was act like a self assured dumb-butt that apparently thinks he knows all of this MUST be wrong (knowing it enough to claim any possible other opinions/predictions must be trolls or idiots) yet you didnt make any thoughts or predictions yourself? Not even claiming Tobi is just Obito and we accept it. Nothing. Seriously, what's the point of that?

You are an idiot if you think that interview is real.

[Tylar_Bandai]

Guys,

calm down the cursing and filter evading before I nuke this thread.

[TheLastHokage]

But hey, let's give Obito a try. Who says Oro couldn't have played with Obi's feelings. I mean, Man-i-pulation.
Um... you know what, Obi not being Tobi DOES sound better.

[ACTION *******]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

This is terrible arguing sir. Regardless of who is right in your little squabble, you are both equally bad at arguing, and you have both made statements that are not true, or are biased.

oh nooo nejifan thinks im bad at arguing, if only i cared about his opinion, since you know he's such an amazing debater and all.

my argument did what it was supposed to do, point out why what they were saying was full of crap. beyond that, i really don't care. and I didn't say anything that was untrue. and I'm not bias at all. theres no doubt in my mind it might not be obito, afterall, kishimoto is a terrible writer

Originally Posted by Nejifan

Again, while I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying, it doesn't change the fact that your argument style is invalid. Honestly, you sound like a troll. Don't get me wrong, a lot of what you say is indeed true, but you honestly look like someone who is seeking out conflict intentionally. That's a troll. Might want to work on that. Just a bit of advice.

not only does that not make what is aid any less true, not only do i not care about what you think of my style, but im not trolling on the basis that im not intentionally trying to cause derailing or arguing. my intentions were to point out that they were basing their terrible "theories" off of nothing. allanime01 was the one arguing. sounds he like he was the troll.

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

Woah.

I mean, even if the interview is fake, being fake, it still makes more sense than "Obito being Tobi", heck, it was even better when they said Madara was Tobi.

it doesn't because we are given no reason to believe its izuna at all. you could very well replace the name izuna with anyone else (adding in time travel theories when necessary) and the thought makes as much sense and has as much basis for existing as izuna.

the difference between him being izuna and him being obito or madara is that we had some amount of reason to believe those things. he said he was madara, some people came to the conclusion of him being madara on their own, etc. and he clearly at the absolute very least has obito's body, his name is reminiscent of obito, and he speaks as though he knows kakashi, implying that his connections to obito are more than superficial.

however we have 0 reason to even consider it being izuna. you are MAKING evidence after drawing a conclusion instead of letting the evidence point you to a conclusion. you are, quite literally, doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

Now, I supposed that because Yamato looked like Hiruko, he was Hiruko.

nope, because we knew it was yamato, try again

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

And because Tobi said he was Madara, he was Madara.

considering the connections to obito werent concrete and him being madara was better than obito and considering some, such as the 4th hokage naturally thought it was madara on their own without having to be told he was madara, and the fact that seemingly everyone in the ninja worls who hears him say "im madara!" believes he's madara with little to no questions asked...yeah, yeah I'd say we had reason to believe he was madara, even if it turned out not to be true

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

And, if Naruto, a Genin, Mastered and created his own Transformation Technique, a full grown man, leader of Akatsuki and insanely genius person couldn't make a better way of looking like someone else.

so because naruto has the sexy jutsu, that makes it izuna...thats really an argument you feel comfortable putting out there. *sigh*

and nejifan called ME the troll.

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

Also back in Chapter 510, when Tobi gets his mask broken by Konan, his left eye had a black sclera, something that revived people have.

looks more like shadow and artistic effect to me =/

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

I could proceed, but have no time.
Mr. ACTION******, sir, I urge you to reconsider making your mind, a little more, flexible. This series have proved that anything can happen, and he always tell us how and why. Tobi can be Obito, but he has to explain more and risk getting less viewers that way.

my mind is very flexible. it can potentially be anyone. I'm simply more inclined to believe things that make sense and you haven't given me any reason to believe this is all.

honestly I have no idea why everyone here seems to think that me disagreeing with bad baseless guesses means that im somehow inflexible or whatever. that's simply not true. it just takes more than fake interviews, that sounded fake as heck, to persuade me.

they not strengthen your argument based on whats been said instead of going "nuh uh, it could be izuna because it COULD be"

all I did originally was point out why the things you were saying were wrong such as the rain orphan thing, which even your partner in crime agreed was 100% false

and even if you dont want to take into account what I said about each piece of your guess, now that I confirmed the interview is fake you should probably completely rework your ideas for WHY its izuna. because lets be honest, without that interview a good chunk of what you were saying there is invalid. heck even with the interview some of it was invalid.

Originally Posted by pyrot53

You are an idiot if you think that interview is real.

QFT

[Chidori]

I don't think we have enough info to make an accurate prediction atm. But after seeing Sasuke revive Orochimaru through Anko's curse mark, we might be dealing with something similar to a horcrux...

[TheLastHokage]

Originally Posted by ACTION *******

oh nooo nejifan thinks im bad at arguing, if only i cared about his opinion, since you know he's such an amazing debater and all.

my argument did what it was supposed to do, point out why what they were saying was full of crap. beyond that, i really don't care. and I didn't say anything that was untrue. and I'm not bias at all. theres no doubt in my mind it might not be obito, afterall, kishimoto is a terrible writer




not only does that not make what is aid any less true, not only do i not care about what you think of my style, but im not trolling on the basis that im not intentionally trying to cause derailing or arguing. my intentions were to point out that they were basing their terrible "theories" off of nothing. allanime01 was the one arguing. sounds he like he was the troll.



it doesn't because we are given no reason to believe its izuna at all. you could very well replace the name izuna with anyone else (adding in time travel theories when necessary) and the thought makes as much sense and has as much basis for existing as izuna.

the difference between him being izuna and him being obito or madara is that we had some amount of reason to believe those things. he said he was madara, some people came to the conclusion of him being madara on their own, etc. and he clearly at the absolute very least has obito's body, his name is reminiscent of obito, and he speaks as though he knows kakashi, implying that his connections to obito are more than superficial.

however we have 0 reason to even consider it being izuna. you are MAKING evidence after drawing a conclusion instead of letting the evidence point you to a conclusion. you are, quite literally, doing it wrong.




nope, because we knew it was yamato, try again



considering the connections to obito werent concrete and him being madara was better than obito and considering some, such as the 4th hokage naturally thought it was madara on their own without having to be told he was madara, and the fact that seemingly everyone in the ninja worls who hears him say "im madara!" believes he's madara with little to no questions asked...yeah, yeah I'd say we had reason to believe he was madara, even if it turned out not to be true



so because naruto has the sexy jutsu, that makes it izuna...thats really an argument you feel comfortable putting out there. *sigh*

and nejifan called ME the troll.



looks more like shadow and artistic effect to me =/



my mind is very flexible. it can potentially be anyone. I'm simply more inclined to believe things that make sense and you haven't given me any reason to believe this is all.

honestly I have no idea why everyone here seems to think that me disagreeing with bad baseless guesses means that im somehow inflexible or whatever. that's simply not true. it just takes more than fake interviews, that sounded fake as heck, to persuade me.

they not strengthen your argument based on whats been said instead of going "nuh uh, it could be izuna because it COULD be"

all I did originally was point out why the things you were saying were wrong such as the rain orphan thing, which even your partner in crime agreed was 100% false

and even if you dont want to take into account what I said about each piece of your guess, now that I confirmed the interview is fake you should probably completely rework your ideas for WHY its izuna. because lets be honest, without that interview a good chunk of what you were saying there is invalid. heck even with the interview some of it was invalid.



QFT

You say you're flexible, but you don't see what I meant with those comments. You're only attached with the idea of Tobi being Obito, just looking for a justified Rage Quit, or you're just trolling.

Either way, the truth is that Tobi may be any Uchiha, except Madara, Itachi or Sasuke. He may be a new character, he may not. The idea of him being Obito isn't that Bizarre, and I find it cool, but it seems so strange that Narubito could turn into A Masked Mastermind with a **** for controlling the whole world.

But let's see it from this perspective; What if Obito doesn't want revenge against Kakashi, what if he was damaged emotionally by his death and the way he died. What if he harbored, or was manipulated into harboring hatred inside of him?

Anyway, it just seems to easy for him to be Obito. I also find Obito to be really cool-lookin' though.

[jousha]

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

Anyway, it just seems to easy for him to be Obito. I also find Obito to be really cool-lookin' though.

I've come to accept the fact that it is Obito. Ever since I heard that theory, I was against for the fact on how "Hiding in Plain Sight" it was. The fact that there is a flashback with the perspective of Obito makes it kinda obvious.

I think the next form of speculation is rightly to focus less on "Who is Tobi?", but now on "Who is Obito?" There could be many possible scenarios dealing with the true Obito's motives, plus possible scenarios where Obito is a shell for someone else (similar to Orochimaru).

[ACTION *******]

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

You say you're flexible, but you don't see what I meant with those comments. You're only attached with the idea of Tobi being Obito, just looking for a justified Rage Quit, or you're just trolling.

none of the above. just because I don't accept 2 peoples terrible "predictions" doesn't mean I'm inflexible, attached to an idea, or anything like that. I just have higher standards than you apparently. I don't accept "izuna gave shelter to and trained the rain orphans" when that completely contradicts what we know. I'm not trolling because im not intentionally causing problems, I just callz em as i seez em and i saw crap, so i pointed out that it was crap and why it was crap.

ideas should be fluid and evolving. if you or someone else finds a hole in your idea, you should either look for ways to strengthen it or you abandon it if its beyond saving. instead of doing either of those you guys just sit here calling me a troll and telling me "but but but what if?"

I'm not saying the what if doesn't exist, I'm just saying that this particular version of the what if doesn't work. not at the moment at least.

[TheLastHokage]

Originally Posted by ACTION *******

when that completely contradicts what we know.

Yeah... Nothing has EVER changed in the Naruto Series... NOTHING.
Example; Uchiha Clan History
Example; Shisui's death
Example; Tailed Beast's story

I could keep going...