Problems Discussion

[Seventh Path]

So after the first Unlimited event in forever, what does everyone feel needs ro be hit? I understand that Anbus, Biscuit, and Hikaru put in quite a bit of work. Anything else really a problem for the format?

[Genre]

If Anbu are hit, the format instantly changes because now Biscuit isn't as OP (still is broken, but not as broken).

However, Tylar seemingly doesn't want to touch them so:

Hikaru Tsuki needs to be banned (this is the most OP card in format, even more OP than the Anbu).
Emi needs to be banned.
Biscuit to go to 1.
MakeOut Paradise to go to anything but 3.
Some OTK pieces probably need to be hit, since people WERE running OTK (albeit none topped) -- , , etc...

The OTK shell is still viable (Change in Chakra Nature, Change in Chakra Form, Release of Chakra from QfP and RnR, etc) -- but I still think Tunneling Fang needs to be watched. Sharingan of Tears needs to be banned IMO.

However, Hikaru, Emi and Biscuit definitely need to get hit in some way (especially the first two). The format would balance out mill and rush right away if that were to happen. Rush will always exist, but not to the speed/power it is now. Of course, if Anbu are hit ... the entire format changes. Anbu can stay for all I care if other cards are hit.

[Dalegna]

Originally Posted by Genre

If Anbu are hit, the format instantly changes because now Biscuit isn't as OP (still is broken, but not as broken).

However, Tylar seemingly doesn't want to touch them so:

Hikaru Tsuki needs to be banned (this is the most OP card in format, even more OP than the Anbu).
Emi needs to be banned.
Biscuit to go to 1.
MakeOut Paradise to go to anything but 3.
Some OTK pieces probably need to be hit, since people WERE running OTK (albeit none topped) -- , , etc...

The OTK shell is still viable (Change in Chakra Nature, Change in Chakra Form, Release of Chakra from QfP and RnR, etc) -- but I still think Tunneling Fang needs to be watched. Sharingan of Tears needs to be banned IMO.

However, Hikaru, Emi and Biscuit definitely need to get hit in some way (especially the first two). The format would balance out mill and rush right away if that were to happen. Rush will always exist, but not to the speed/power it is now. Of course, if Anbu are hit ... the entire format changes. Anbu can stay for all I care if other cards are hit.

all of this

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Dalegna

all of this

So cause the deck, won it must b nuked? What is this, yu-gi-oh?

[Genre]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

So cause the deck, won it must b nuked? What is this, yu-gi-oh?

Animals didn't win. My deck technically won. David and I ran similar builds (without Hikaru). We just had a broken sideboard. The problem is, Hikaru is extremely busted in synergy with so much (since there are a lot of tiny animals that do big things) - he needs to go. And to slow the game down a little, Emi should go as well. Biscuit isn't any better either.

[Seventh Path]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

So cause the deck, won it must b nuked? What is this, yu-gi-oh?

From the little I understand of Unlimited these cards have always been problems. Tunneling Fang I've never seen talked about but, the others always come up. This is just the first time we've had coverage giving insight into this format. Or at least thats the case for me.

And as always enjoy reading your thoughts on unlimited Genre

[world of pein]

Anbu should go
Hikaru or biscuit should go
Reanimation ninjutsu should go
Current should go
Group lessons should be limited more
I would like to see naruto reliance go as well

[Big Boy]

I feel like anbus and hikaru should go to 0. Biscuit seems fine with anbus gone and emi maybe to 1 but most people only play 1 anyway so i dont think itll matter. (Mill is still too powerful IMO even if hikaru goes)

[Genre]

My opinion on the next Unlimited Rogue List is as follows (assuming Tylar does not want to ban the Anbu)...:


This card needs to be banned. Being able to put in play 2 ninjas as turn; as well as infinite chump block with certain animal ninjas is way too overpowered - especially those animal ninjas who get +1's for every other animal ninja in play. This card puts rush and mill way over the top, as you can repeatedly Put in Play so your opponent is locked out of jutsu and so your opponent is locked out of missions.


This card needs to be banned. This card is a dual element, no-cost free BR machine. Other cards that do similar things have a hand cost or are later-turned. This card is just way too good and speeds the game up too much.


This card needs to go to 1. The card, perhaps, should not be banned... but limited in order to prevent it from being abused in rush decks. This card is an infinite chump blocker and caused many problems when it was legal in block; it just should not be allowed at 3.


This card needs to be banned. Even though no one ran the combo which abuses this card (way too many to mention, as you can give a solo attitude sasuke pretty much any effect text you want, or a turn 1 obito, or any other sharingan eye guys)... the card is still a huge problem. Moreover, this card allows an OTK quite early involving + . I don't think OTKs should be barred from occurring in Unlimited (as the shell pieces are still there and there are plenty to run) - but Sharingan of Tears is OP even without the OTK combo.

Other cards that should be watched:
- early chakra generation
- early chakra generation
- broke stuff way too early
- OTK game ender
- OTK game ender
- Hand Control
- Tutors things to spam too quickly
- Loopy Loop

If I had it my way, I would take some cards off the rogue list (even some cards that are banned) -- but for now, I'll leave my thoughts like this.

[rockleeac]

Originally Posted by Genre

My opinion on the next Unlimited Rogue List is as follows (assuming Tylar does not want to ban the Anbu)...:


This card needs to be banned. Being able to put in play 2 ninjas as turn; as well as infinite chump block with certain animal ninjas is way too overpowered - especially those animal ninjas who get +1's for every other animal ninja in play. This card puts rush and mill way over the top, as you can repeatedly Put in Play so your opponent is locked out of jutsu and so your opponent is locked out of missions.


This card needs to be banned. This card is a dual element, no-cost free BR machine. Other cards that do similar things have a hand cost or are later-turned. This card is just way too good and speeds the game up too much.


This card needs to go to 1. The card, perhaps, should not be banned... but limited in order to prevent it from being abused in rush decks. This card is an infinite chump blocker and caused many problems when it was legal in block; it just should not be allowed at 3.


This card needs to be banned. Even though no one ran the combo which abuses this card (way too many to mention, as you can give a solo attitude sasuke pretty much any effect text you want, or a turn 1 obito, or any other sharingan eye guys)... the card is still a huge problem. Moreover, this card allows an OTK quite early involving + . I don't think OTKs should be barred from occurring in Unlimited (as the shell pieces are still there and there are plenty to run) - but Sharingan of Tears is OP even without the OTK combo.

Other cards that should be watched:
- early chakra generation
- early chakra generation
- broke stuff way too early
- OTK game ender
- OTK game ender
- Hand Control
- Tutors things to spam too quickly
- Loopy Loop

If I had it my way, I would take some cards off the rogue list (even some cards that are banned) -- but for now, I'll leave my thoughts like this.

Great list Genre. Especially with Hikaru that card is just too broken in Animal decks and everyone knows that. Make Out Paradise I can see in unlimited given the low drop ninjas.