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[spiritomb]

Some body please q and a this thread. I can't get a straight answer from laughing man for near thre weeks. Even if u guys know the answer, just don't post it here. I need to have it under q and a. Thanx in advance

here ya go

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

Some body please q and a this thread. I can't get a straight answer from laughing man for near thre weeks. Even if u guys know the answer, just don't post it here. I need to have it under q and a. Thanx in advance

here ya go

What are you actually trying to ask? You seem to be all over the place.

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

What are you actually trying to ask? You seem to be all over the place.

At the end I'm asking what is the difference between activatingthe following 2 effects "this ninja can't be targeted by ur opponents effects" and "this ninja is unaffected by the opponents effects"?

I'm all over the place cause lm can't answer a question with a descriptive reason y, so that there is no confusion. Every time I ask him a question he gives me a half *** answer that leads to more questions. I feel like I'm watching more episodes of lost. That was a good show though.

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

At the end I'm asking what is the difference between activatingthe following 2 effects "this ninja can't be targeted by ur opponents effects" and "this ninja is unaffected by the opponents effects"?

I'm all over the place cause lm can't answer a question with a descriptive reason y, so that there is no confusion. Every time I ask him a question he gives me a half *** answer that leads to more questions. I feel like I'm watching more episodes of lost. That was a good show though.

I started writing an article on this topic actually, but I can sort of sum it up and offer a few examples for you. LM is never going to give a good enough answer I feel, so posting in Q&A for me is pointless.

Cannot be the Target = Literally what it says. If a Ninja, Jutsu, or Mission card cannot become the target of a certain card (Ninja, Jutsu, or Mission), then your opponent cannot legally target that card with the specified card type.

Examples:

Cannot be the target of Ninjas:
: His effect states that "Your other Ninjas cannot be the target of your opponent's Ninja effects." Meaning, that any Ninja effect of your opponent's that specifically Targets that Ninja cannot be used on those Ninjas. Gaara pretty much makes them "invisible" as select-able choices for any effects.
Why This is different from Unaffected: A well placed WILL still wipe your field, as Naruto does not targets, and affects all Ninjas in play equally except for himself.

Cannot be the target of Jutsu:

Set 26 Zabuza: As long as your opponent has 8 or more Chakra, Zabuza cannot be made the target of your opponent's Jutsu cards. Originally, that meant that any jutsu that was aimed at him would simply fail on resolution. Under the new separation of Unaffected and Untargetable, you opponent literally cannot select Zabuza as a target for a Jutsu. So if your opponent happens to have 8 or more Chakra and Zabuza goes out to Battle alone, there isn't too much your opponent can do. EXCEPT:
Why This is different from Unaffected: While Zabuza cannot be made the legal target of a jutsu, and would thus stop your opponent from playing a Jutsu that sets him as a target, he would not be able to avoid something like Art of the Raging Lion's Mane, since it does Not Target any Ninjas when it is first played, it merely causes an effect on certain Ninjas of your opponent's choice when it resolves. Had Zabuza said "Unaffected by your opponent's jutsu", then he would still be able to be made a target of a jutsu, But if, upon resolution of that justu, your opponent still had 8 or more Chakra, the effect would simply miss him. This is actually interesting, since if he was "unaffected by jutsu", your opponent would technically be able to burn themselves down under 8 Chakra by playing jutsu or activating effects so that on resolution, the jutsu that was aimed at him would resolve afterall.

Missions be the target of Missions:

: While she has 10 or more Combat, not only can she not be the target of Jutsu, but also Mission cards from your opponent. That means that any mission they have that has a target line that she qualifies for, they cannot play on her at all.
Why This is different from Unaffected: Global hits from mission cards will still effect her, such as Quiet Day since Quiet Day does not target any Ninjas, it simply applies the effect across the board. If she has said "Unaffected" then she would dodge the effect of Quiet Day. An example of a card that gives that global unaffected feel is , so long as they are in a Team with a Manipulation Ninja, they afford that protection to all Sand Ninja. The same goes for other Leaf Ninjas in Team.

That's just the start of it really. Seperating Unaffected and Untagetable has opened up a ton of design space and also brought about a whole host of ruling tweaks and situations that were not present before hand.

[Jowgen]

You were being pretty hostile to him for someone asking for help understanding something.

[myninjaway]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

I started writing an article on this topic actually, but I can sort of sum it up and offer a few examples for you. LM is never going to give a good enough answer I feel, so posting in Q&A for me is pointless.

Cannot be the Target = Literally what it says. If a Ninja, Jutsu, or Mission card cannot become the target of a certain card (Ninja, Jutsu, or Mission), then your opponent cannot legally target that card with the specified card type.

Examples:

Cannot be the target of Ninjas:
: His effect states that "Your other Ninjas cannot be the target of your opponent's Ninja effects." Meaning, that any Ninja effect of your opponent's that specifically Targets that Ninja cannot be used on those Ninjas. Gaara pretty much makes them "invisible" as select-able choices for any effects.
Why This is different from Unaffected: A well placed WILL still wipe your field, as Naruto does not targets, and affects all Ninjas in play equally except for himself.

Cannot be the target of Jutsu:

Set 26 Zabuza: As long as your opponent has 8 or more Chakra, Zabuza cannot be made the target of your opponent's Jutsu cards. Originally, that meant that any jutsu that was aimed at him would simply fail on resolution. Under the new separation of Unaffected and Untargetable, you opponent literally cannot select Zabuza as a target for a Jutsu. So if your opponent happens to have 8 or more Chakra and Zabuza goes out to Battle alone, there isn't too much your opponent can do. EXCEPT:
Why This is different from Unaffected: While Zabuza cannot be made the legal target of a jutsu, and would thus stop your opponent from playing a Jutsu that sets him as a target, he would not be able to avoid something like Art of the Raging Lion's Mane, since it does Not Target any Ninjas when it is first played, it merely causes an effect on certain Ninjas of your opponent's choice when it resolves. Had Zabuza said "Unaffected by your opponent's jutsu", then he would still be able to be made a target of a jutsu, But if, upon resolution of that justu, your opponent still had 8 or more Chakra, the effect would simply miss him. This is actually interesting, since if he was "unaffected by jutsu", your opponent would technically be able to burn themselves down under 8 Chakra by playing jutsu or activating effects so that on resolution, the jutsu that was aimed at him would resolve afterall.

Missions be the target of Missions:

: While she has 10 or more Combat, not only can she not be the target of Jutsu, but also Mission cards from your opponent. That means that any mission they have that has a target line that she qualifies for, they cannot play on her at all.
Why This is different from Unaffected: Global hits from mission cards will still effect her, such as Quiet Day since Quiet Day does not target any Ninjas, it simply applies the effect across the board. If she has said "Unaffected" then she would dodge the effect of Quiet Day. An example of a card that gives that global unaffected feel is , so long as they are in a Team with a Manipulation Ninja, they afford that protection to all Sand Ninja. The same goes for other Leaf Ninjas in Team.

That's just the start of it really. Seperating Unaffected and Untagetable has opened up a ton of design space and also brought about a whole host of ruling tweaks and situations that were not present before hand.

This is a great explanation to a ruling that had only made things more confusing. One question though, for your example of the Tsunade: If she had already been targeted by a jutsu, then her effect activated after, on the same chain, does that mean it misses her?

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by Jowgen

You were being pretty hostile to him for someone asking for help understanding something.

And yet I answered his question better than anyone else on this forum possibly could have.

Originally Posted by myninjaway

This is a great explanation to a ruling that had only made things more confusing. One question though, for your example of the Tsunade: If she had already been targeted by a jutsu, then her effect activated after, on the same chain, does that mean it misses her?

Since targets are checked both when a an effect/mission/jutsu is initially played or activated and on resolution, if a given subject is no longer able to be targeted due to a chained effect, then the effect would miss.

So stuff like Tsunade and Madara Uchiha can chain their own effects to being targeted by a jutsu in order to cause that jutsu to fail when it tries to resolve, since they are no longer legal targets.

[OC_Powers]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

And yet I answered his question better than anyone else on this forum possibly could have.
.

I thought he was targeting that comment at Spiritomb.
Unless he's untargetable of course. Then it fizzles.

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Jowgen

You were being pretty hostile to him for someone asking for help understanding something.

He wasn't hostile. These r the ways I expect q and a to b answered. There was no shorter way to answer this. I would hope lm would learn something from this.

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

And yet I answered his question better than anyone else on this forum possibly could have.



Since targets are checked both when a an effect/mission/jutsu is initially played or activated and on resolution, if a given subject is no longer able to be targeted due to a chained effect, then the effect would miss.

So stuff like Tsunade and Madara Uchiha can chain their own effects to being targeted by a jutsu in order to cause that jutsu to fail when it tries to resolve, since they are no longer legal targets.

What about if u chain an effect that says "this ninja can not b affected by ur opponents effects, Shino's dad?