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[world of pein]

Originally Posted by Iopkoon

why would they use obitos body????

because they need a sharingan ninja. which is one reason orochimaru wants sasuke

[MinatoNamikaze]

Originally Posted by world of pein

because they need a sharingan ninja. which is one reason orochimaru wants sasuke

that makes no sense considering the original candidate was kimimaro, who was quite sharinganless. also unnecessary because they simply could have collected the sharingans and had them implanted. tobi definitely has the collection for it. dude could implant sharingans all day long.

the technique has no real requirements from what we've seen, though a willing host potentially lasts "forever" (by that i mean till the body ages to death) while an unwilling one can reject you like the one oro picked after hiruzen sealed his arms up.

oro liked sasuke and itachi as candidates because:
1) good bodies because of their incredible potential and natural ability

2) he was a jutsu collector and what better way to collect jutsu than to use sharingan to copy every jutsu ever.

its, unfortunately, probably just an obito who is very sour towards life for some reason. no body switching involved. I wish it was different, and i still have hope. but the more time that goes by the more likely it really does seem like its simply obito.

heck i almost wish it was something else even if it was something dumber just so it wouldn't be an evil obito. I'd almost take an evil naruto from the future. almost.

[Zunee27]

Originally Posted by MinatoNamikaze

that makes no sense considering the original candidate was kimimaro, who was quite sharinganless. also unnecessary because they simply could have collected the sharingans and had them implanted. tobi definitely has the collection for it. dude could implant sharingans all day long.

the technique has no real requirements from what we've seen, though a willing host potentially lasts "forever" (by that i mean till the body ages to death) while an unwilling one can reject you like the one oro picked after hiruzen sealed his arms up.

oro liked sasuke and itachi as candidates because:
1) good bodies because of their incredible potential and natural ability

2) he was a jutsu collector and what better way to collect jutsu than to use sharingan to copy every jutsu ever.

its, unfortunately, probably just an obito who is very sour towards life for some reason. no body switching involved. I wish it was different, and i still have hope. but the more time that goes by the more likely it really does seem like its simply obito.

heck i almost wish it was something else even if it was something dumber just so it wouldn't be an evil obito. I'd almost take an evil naruto from the future. almost.

Itachi and Sasuke's father, Fugaku Uchiha.

Why not?

1.) We SAW him get killed.

Well that's a really compelling argument. So why do I say it?

1.) He's the right age. Obito was dead by the time the 9-tails was released. Even if he were still alive, he'd be Kakashi's age and therefore too young. We can only assume Fugaku's age, but since people are apparently impervious to age in the ninja universe, then we can assume he's still in his ninja prime and probably in his ninja 40s or 50s.

2.) Fugaku and Mikoto weren't home on the night of the attack. Remember how Itachi stated, "What a strange night for Mother and Father to be out"? Neither of them were in the house, but Tobi surely can't be two people. Mikoto, the 3rd, the 3rd's wife, and the ANBU guards were there only ones who knew about Kushina leaving the village. Mikoto runs home, tells Fugaku, and boom he's out on the offense and she's getting intel.

3.) He was the head of police. Why's that matter? It means that, even among the Uchiha, he was either wise or strong. We know he had good knowledge of the secret techniques, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to teach Sasuke the Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu. He also told Sasuke that the Mangekyō Sharingan required great sacrifice. He was somewhat impressed by Sasuke's mastery of K:GnJ, though he wasn't open about it. He trained Itachi often, which could be the reason Itachi's skills are so vast. He was, apparently, so powerful that the Leaf council even gave him partial blame for the release of the Fox. Who knows if he knew Izanagi? If he did, then Itachi murdering him means NOTHING.

4.) He was anti-Konoha. He wanted to lead the coup d'etat. This should be the biggest evidence of his being Tobi. He wanted to use Itachi, he was using the Leaf police force, and he was rooting for the rise of the Itachi. He became angry with Itachi after Itachi skipped an "important clan meeting".

5.) He cared about Sasuke. He even asked Itachi, on his deathbed, to watch over Sasuke. Tobi directly watches over Sasuke, and managed Sasuke after Itachi's death. Tobi pressed Sasuke to not follow in Itachi's footsteps, much like Fugaku did.

[Tagrineth]

Who knows if he knew Izanagi? If he did, then Itachi murdering him means NOTHING.

This is a fair point - if you factor in that he only has one Sharingan, it literally means ANY Uchiha could be Tobi since any Uchiha could have potentially used Izanagi to survive Itachi's massacre.

[Shikamaru_Of_Hebi #1]

Originally Posted by Zunee27

Itachi and Sasuke's father, Fugaku Uchiha.

Why not?

1.) We SAW him get killed.

Well that's a really compelling argument. So why do I say it?

1.) He's the right age. Obito was dead by the time the 9-tails was released. Even if he were still alive, he'd be Kakashi's age and therefore too young. We can only assume Fugaku's age, but since people are apparently impervious to age in the ninja universe, then we can assume he's still in his ninja prime and probably in his ninja 40s or 50s.

2.) Fugaku and Mikoto weren't home on the night of the attack. Remember how Itachi stated, "What a strange night for Mother and Father to be out"? Neither of them were in the house, but Tobi surely can't be two people. Mikoto, the 3rd, the 3rd's wife, and the ANBU guards were there only ones who knew about Kushina leaving the village. Mikoto runs home, tells Fugaku, and boom he's out on the offense and she's getting intel.

3.) He was the head of police. Why's that matter? It means that, even among the Uchiha, he was either wise or strong. We know he had good knowledge of the secret techniques, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to teach Sasuke the Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu. He also told Sasuke that the Mangekyō Sharingan required great sacrifice. He was somewhat impressed by Sasuke's mastery of K:GnJ, though he wasn't open about it. He trained Itachi often, which could be the reason Itachi's skills are so vast. He was, apparently, so powerful that the Leaf council even gave him partial blame for the release of the Fox. Who knows if he knew Izanagi? If he did, then Itachi murdering him means NOTHING.

4.) He was anti-Konoha. He wanted to lead the coup d'etat. This should be the biggest evidence of his being Tobi. He wanted to use Itachi, he was using the Leaf police force, and he was rooting for the rise of the Itachi. He became angry with Itachi after Itachi skipped an "important clan meeting".

5.) He cared about Sasuke. He even asked Itachi, on his deathbed, to watch over Sasuke. Tobi directly watches over Sasuke, and managed Sasuke after Itachi's death. Tobi pressed Sasuke to not follow in Itachi's footsteps, much like Fugaku did.

yeah expect in recent chapters you see a flashback to the parents and them accepting death from itachi and saying they were proud -_-

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by Tagrineth

This is a fair point - if you factor in that he only has one Sharingan, it literally means ANY Uchiha could be Tobi since any Uchiha could have potentially used Izanagi to survive Itachi's massacre.

It's been covered multiple times that the one eyed mask didn't actually bear any meaning towards whether Tobi only had one eye or not, because he clearly is seen to have two eyes during his fight with Konan.

Additionally, we've seen his Sharingan Eye stockpile as well, when he tried to salvage Shusui's eye from Danzo's corpse. Pretty much, those probably weren't even Tobi's original eyes, Sharingan or not, that he has had anyways. So, the whole "One Eyed Uchiha" thing doesn't work in this case.

[Tagrineth]

This is true.

[Zunee27]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru_Of_Hebi #1

yeah expect in recent chapters you see a flashback to the parents and them accepting death from itachi and saying they were proud -_-

That's the flaw you point out? How about page 11 when it shows him talking to Tobi only moments before killing his parents? Or the fact that Tobi says he holds a grudge against the clan, when Fugaku was proud of his clan?

I was just trying to say something that wasn't Obito, since it's not Obito.

[Shikamaru_Of_Hebi #1]

Originally Posted by Zunee27

That's the flaw you point out? How about page 11 when it shows him talking to Tobi only moments before killing his parents? Or the fact that Tobi says he holds a grudge against the clan, when Fugaku was proud of his clan?

I was just trying to say something that wasn't Obito, since it's not Obito.

thats all i needed to say lol. don't be mad bro


it is not obito. i used to think it was fugaku prior to that 1 scene.

at this point i think its Zetsumadara.

kind of like Yamato is a Zetsufirsthokage.

[Zunee27]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru_Of_Hebi #1

thats all i needed to say lol. don't be mad bro


it is not obito. i used to think it was fugaku prior to that 1 scene.

at this point i think its Zetsumadara.

kind of like Yamato is a Zetsufirsthokage.

I AIN'T MAD. ARE YOU MAD? I'M NOT!

I really hope he's not Zedara. That'd make me soooo angry.