Rogue List Discussion

[yagermeister]

Originally Posted by Zero Master Of Percision

How is Kushina poorly designed when Manda is the one that:
1) Is immortal
2) Negates everything
3) Cannot be stopped by any card

Didnt we all agree a long time ago that having cards that cannot be effected by anything were bad for the game?

Manda cannot stop missions. So dehydration stops him. Though I agree that kushina is not the problem card. I still think that manda needs to go regardless. Your only chance at stopping him is to dehydrate him. So you have to run water or earth to get around him.

[Xyliex]

its mandas effect but the cards that are putting him on the board are the reason he is getting banned. poor manda.

[Dalegna]

u guyz are all dumb get rid of a kushina bye bye dumb animal deck she is the key to that deck she drops the entrance aswell as the hand cost i didnt mind the entrance but the hand cost was the most OP part remove the that and the deck as just as good as gone manda does notting really but being able to play him for free and when i say free i mean no hand cost and does not count towards ur deploy is OP Lrn2Play baddy's

[OneWingedAngel]

Originally Posted by Dalegna

u guyz are all dumb get rid of a kushina bye bye dumb animal deck she is the key to that deck she drops the entrance aswell as the hand cost i didnt mind the entrance but the hand cost was the most OP part remove the that and the deck as just as good as gone manda does notting really but being able to play him for free and when i say free i mean no hand cost and does not count towards ur deploy is OP Lrn2Play baddy's

Don't troll like this, some idiots will take you seriously.

This is what I think will happen:

Anko's Memory - 1
Sasuke EotS - banned
Manda - errata or banned (limiting to 1 does nothing)
Chidori - 1 (possible, not 100% sure)

[Xyliex]

Originally Posted by Dalegna

u guyz are all dumb get rid of a kushina bye bye dumb animal deck she is the key to that deck she drops the entrance aswell as the hand cost i didnt mind the entrance but the hand cost was the most OP part remove the that and the deck as just as good as gone manda does notting really but being able to play him for free and when i say free i mean no hand cost and does not count towards ur deploy is OP Lrn2Play baddy's

i agree with you 100%.

id love to sit in a room with everyone at this forum so i can get a look at them and try to understand why some people answer the way they do. im willing to bet half of the room is like 15,16,17 years old.

[Bum-Steer]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

I enjoyed Delver.dec while it lasted.

and that's what is great about magic. decks rise and fall constantly in the same format.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by Xyliex

i agree with you 100%.

id love to sit in a room with everyone at this forum so i can get a look at them and try to understand why some people answer the way they do. im willing to bet half of the room is like 25, 26, and 27 years old and just constantly trolling.

fixed that for ya for accuracy.
inb4Imustbe14- i'm 21

[Genre]

Originally Posted by Zero Master Of Percision

How is Kushina poorly designed when Manda is the one that:
1) Is immortal
2) Negates everything
3) Cannot be stopped by any card

Didnt we all agree a long time ago that having cards that cannot be effected by anything were bad for the game?

It affects all big, scary drops and allows them to come into play for free on two turns earlier than they should. That usually makes a card OP, especially since it affects every animal of all styles. The reason it's poorly designed is also because tylar has to be cautious of what kind of big beasts he makes, as people could just easily PiP them earlier and access broken effects on turns that they shouldn't be accessed. Manda wasn't a problem until Kushina came out.

For now, Manda can be nerfed. But Kushina is a flagged card definitely. As more big dudes come out (in the future), Kushina will become more and more abused. ESPECIALLY if enma is in format and allows you to empty your hand of busted ninjas on t5+...

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by Genre

For now, Manda can be nerfed. But Kushina is a flagged card definitely. As more big dudes come out (in the future), Kushina will become more and more abused. ESPECIALLY if enma is in format and allows you to empty your hand of busted ninjas on t5+...

I was willing to bet Kushina is why Tylar keeps saying a fully runnable Tailed Beasts deck will be possible, so I assume she won't be hit.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Originally Posted by Genre

It affects all big, scary drops and allows them to come into play for free on two turns earlier than they should. That usually makes a card OP, especially since it affects every animal of all styles.The reason it's poorly designed is also because tylar has to be cautious of what kind of big beasts he makes, as people could just easily PiP them earlier and access broken effects on turns that they shouldn't be accessed.

So can't the same logic be applied to manda? You shouldnt make an immortal end all be all answer to the chain itself, with it's only draw back being turn 7 because then you can't make ramp cards, or slow down the format?

Manda wasn't a problem until Kushina came out.

Manda wasn't a problem when kushina came out either, it's a product of slowing the format down, because it's a combo deck that starts on turn 5. Look back at gallant sage preview threads and see the uproar manda caused. Everyone KNEW he was insane. Then the format sped up, so manda was forgotten. He was never really "Fair" in how he interacted with the chain, and the fact that you can't get rid of him is just stupid.