Vortex..

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by i0ilegendi0i

which goes back to my previous statement vortex did not see play as long as trigrams did so that in itself is reason enough. Trigram stayed in the game after block.......

Ummm no it didn't. Trigram was set one and NEVER was reprinted. Vortex was also set one and NEVER got reprinted they both left at the same time.

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by yagermeister

If they rehash trigrams to target one ninja battling against the user, then I would be okay with that. If they thought that it was okay to rehash vortex, then a reasonable trigrams would only be fair. The thing that made trigrams broken was its ability to snipe anything, whether battling or not.

And then it's not Trigram it's just a bad card because it would likely still require printed entrance cost of 5 or more. Some cards can't be toned down really some cards just need to die.

[WizKid]

Originally Posted by i0ilegendi0i

^^^^^ this is why it was reprinted and not changed much...... Trigram was rehashed with the name Tsukiyomi and tacked on an additional cost with a similar effect. Trigam had way toooo many users and the target made it tooo unbalanced for its cost. So it does exist now.... just not in the form it used to be..... but there is still Mangekyo Sharingan which is still IMO not that bad... its all in how u use it.

Sorry mangekyo is bad for the most part.

Second, your right, I felt it was reprinted as tsukoyomi (I know I spelled it wrong) but if they were gonna increase the cost and downgrade the target, can you tell me how much sense that makes when vortex was barely changed?

I played in all metas, vortex is devastating, Trigram is bad but stealing three drops is just as bad as sniping one.

[yagermeister]

Originally Posted by codecatx5

And then it's not Trigram it's just a bad card because it would likely still require printed entrance cost of 5 or more. Some cards can't be toned down really some cards just need to die.

That's why I said a rehash. I absolutely do not want to see trigrams back in rotation without a fair drawback. Also, a snipe card for only two fire chakra is not a bad card IMO. Even if it does have the printed entrance cost requirement.

[DeathCall]

BP Rasengan is worse than everything. At least Vortex is a bounce back to your hand and not discarding them. Vortex isn't crazy busted, the user has to be opposed and it can be stopped like many other things. You're not going to Vortex a random *** team, you're target will be your opponents big team and they should be smart enough to predict it. My first thought be be, "Hey, i'm playing a Water deck." You then think about what would be the best jutsu lineup for the element and realize that Water can't snipe you down with it. Problem solved

(Don't get me wrong, the card is still amazing. Its just not absurd like it seems it seems to be.)

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by yagermeister

That's why I said a rehash. I absolutely do not want to see trigrams back in rotation without a fair drawback. Also, a snipe card for only two fire chakra is not a bad card IMO. Even if it does have the printed entrance cost requirement.

I'm gonna say it like this I do not believe they can possibly rehash Trigram without either destroying the merits of the card or making it busted. They can make other removals but nothing can ever be Trigram but 8 trigram divination seal spell formula.

[i0ilegendi0i]

Originally Posted by DeathCall

BP Rasengan is worse than everything. At least Vortex is a bounce back to your hand and not discarding them. Vortex isn't crazy busted, the user has to be opposed and it can be stopped like many other things. You're not going to Vortex a random *** team, you're target will be your opponents big team and they should be smart enough to predict it. My first thought be be, "Hey, i'm playing a Water deck." You then think about what would be the best jutsu lineup for the element and realize that Water can't snipe you down with it. Problem solved

(Don't get me wrong, the card is still amazing. Its just not absurd like it seems it seems to be.)

Thats my point...... It doesnt snipe.... so it cant be used if ur not battling, which is why its balanced for what it does unlike pump.... which is vortex -1 ninja.. If bandai is really trying to stay away from the snipes in jutsus then this makes sense.

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by DeathCall

BP Rasengan is worse than everything. At least Vortex is a bounce back to your hand and not discarding them. Vortex isn't crazy busted, the user has to be opposed and it can be stopped like many other things. You're not going to Vortex a random *** team, you're target will be your opponents big team and they should be smart enough to predict it. My first thought be be, "Hey, i'm playing a Water deck." You then think about what would be the best jutsu lineup for the element and realize that Water can't snipe you down with it. Problem solved

(Don't get me wrong, the card is still amazing. Its just not absurd like it seems it seems to be.)

Bp Rasengan is a chakra guzzling liability that requires so much back up that it's not funny it has some of the narrowest requirements in the existence of this card game and a simple elemental defense almost completely stops the card. That's a I pay 16 you pay one and now I don't have the chakra to play much else. It's a big cost that deserves the reward it gets unlike vortex which is a flat 3 waters for taking a entire TEAM out in the element that has the second highest chakra generation in this game. It takes good players to make Bp Rasengan ridiculous any **** hole can play a vortex and chain with sss to make it go through.

Also not blocking can only get you so far. Either way you'll take major loses from any card like Vortex

[DeathCall]

Originally Posted by i0ilegendi0i

Thats my point...... It doesnt snipe.... so it cant be used if ur not battling, which is why its balanced for what it does unlike pump.... which is vortex -1 ninja.. If bandai is really trying to stay away from the snipes in jutsus then this makes since.

I agree with your point.
The card is good, probably the best right now but I don't see this card getting hit to hard especially with all the removal in the game right now. Its not like the jutsu just instant resolves; you CAN respond with one of your own answers.

[WizKid]

And you guys do know that Trigram was at its worst when ES Kakashi was on top.

Yes Trigram sets your opponent back but his ability is what made it busted.