im calling it now .....water hate threads will pop up

[egosumsolus]

really? no water will be the most dominant. edit: till next set or rogue list.

IMO, as water currently stands, it is the most NPE symbol in the game. This isn't the first time water has gotten this broken...and last time it resulted in a mass ban/restrict-hammer coming down.

[trikky]

Originally Posted by egosumsolus

really? no water will be the most dominant. edit: till next set or rogue list.

IMO, as water currently stands, it is the most NPE symbol in the game. This isn't the first time water has gotten this broken...and last time it resulted in a mass ban/restrict-hammer coming down.

um thats not true. no hand with state 2 sasuke was definatly better than how water is going to be now. but it is still duh brokes.

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It was gonna be complained about anyway. It always is. Then they Rogue the whole deck & people still complain about 1 ofs. Can't make everyone happy.

[trikky]

its gonna get complained about because it is much better than every other element.

[egosumsolus]

Originally Posted by trikky

its gonna get complained about because it is much better than every other element.

People complained up the [expletive] about Hydro-Pump getting it nearly banned. Quite close after release too but Bandai was talked into just Rogue'ing to 1. Then Bandai releases this new Snake Sword/Vortex and they think that its a good idea? A new End of the Demon? AND that new Zabuza? 2nd Ain't too bad either. This set is about how badly can Bandai break water yet again? This isn't the first time Water has become OP.

Also, I've been playtesting in my local group against , and if you do not have Jutsu readily available, and counters to counter, and lots of chakra, be prepared for this unblockable wall. By turn 4-5, it will OV just about any team you have on the field. When the new Demon Wave Jutsu becomes legal, expect this Suigetsu to be swinging for between 24-30 on average.

By the time you hit turn 6, 7, or 8 (yes so far this new rotation has allowed a lot of our games to go late), you have very little to no cards in your hand and the no hand water player just simply laughs as his real draw engines are his TP2 Tobi and World of Water (= Chakra/Ambush). I call the S19 Jutsu's the "Ambush Jutsu" for I think self-explanatory reasons.

And all the Mill fear going around? It doesn't hurt this, often, it is to the benefit of this deck. Everywhere is accessible. It's incredibly imbalanced in Water's favor at the moment.

[Shodaime]

Originally Posted by egosumsolus

People complained up the [expletive] about Hydro-Pump getting it nearly banned. Quite close after release too but Bandai was talked into just Rogue'ing to 1. Then Bandai releases this new Snake Sword/Vortex and they think that its a good idea? A new End of the Demon? AND that new Zabuza? 2nd Ain't too bad either. This set is about how badly can Bandai break water yet again? This isn't the first time Water has become OP.

Also, I've been playtesting in my local group against , and if you do not have Jutsu readily available, and counters to counter, and lots of chakra, be prepared for this unblockable wall. By turn 4-5, it will OV just about any team you have on the field. When the new Demon Wave Jutsu becomes legal, expect this Suigetsu to be swinging for between 24-30 on average.

By the time you hit turn 6, 7, or 8 (yes so far this new rotation has allowed a lot of our games to go late), you have very little to no cards in your hand and the no hand water player just simply laughs as his real draw engines are his TP2 Tobi and World of Water (= Chakra/Ambush). I call the S19 Jutsu's the "Ambush Jutsu" for I think self-explanatory reasons.

And all the Mill fear going around? It doesn't hurt this, often, it is to the benefit of this deck. Everywhere is accessible. It's incredibly imbalanced in Water's favor at the moment.

People complaining about vortex should note that if they had released a rehashed AW water dragon, it would have been much worse. SO what if water has good jutsu for the block? Wind has pump, lightning has rage.

Good Snipe > Good ninja battling against jutsu. I'm not saying Vrtex isn't a powerful jutsu (for it is) but its not unbalanced in this format. There are ways around everything, and although I do see water as getting the strong end of cards this set, i still see every element being able to keep up.

[th3 sav1or]

water is pretty **** good, but kimono, lightning (in general), and anbu will give it a run for its money, poor earth

[Zabuza_of_The_Hidden_Mist]

Water is gonna be the meta the whole time his set is out. That's the only problem I see.

[Susano'o the Storm God]

Originally Posted by Shodaime

People complaining about vortex should note that if they had released a rehashed AW water dragon, it would have been much worse. SO what if water has good jutsu for the block? Wind has pump, lightning has rage.

Good Snipe > Good ninja battling against jutsu. I'm not saying Vrtex isn't a powerful jutsu (for it is) but its not unbalanced in this format. There are ways around everything, and although I do see water as getting the strong end of cards this set, i still see every element being able to keep up.

hmm... idk... I could kinda of see the logic of vortex vs water dragon, but imo, I think vortex is a bit stronger. They're both rlly strong jutsu that's for sure.
If anything, depending on how they "rehashed" water dragon, I think I would've taken water dragon, if you needed 2 heads to kill the target, as opposed to just 1 like the original.

[i0ilegendi0i]

Originally Posted by Shodaime

People complaining about vortex should note that if they had released a rehashed AW water dragon, it would have been much worse. SO what if water has good jutsu for the block? Wind has pump, lightning has rage.

Good Snipe > Good ninja battling against jutsu. I'm not saying Vortex isn't a powerful jutsu (for it is) but its not unbalanced in this format. There are ways around everything, and although I do see water as getting the strong end of cards this set, i still see every element being able to keep up.

Finally, some1 who understands. Although i do agree that water IS strong. It is fine in this format due to requirements and target...... Its not like its a snipe ppl...... what ppl NEED to be looking out for really is that TURN 0 OV (Teleporting) NINJA...... THAT is unhealty for the game