Adding to the Conversation: Giant Ninja Toad

[spiralblitz]

Originally Posted by Tsu Kiyo Me

I agree with these suggestions. Clearly Hydro Pump is the standard for cards that should be set to 1 instead of 0. Other cards set to 0 clearly aren't as powerful as this card so they should be unrestricted as long as Pump is at 1.

Also, I'd like to motion that we put Sasuke Uchiha (State 2) back at 1 because it only really benefits one element and can't play any really powerful jutsu effects. Please consider unbanning this card as long as Hydro Pump is at 1.

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[WizKid]

Originally Posted by Tsu Kiyo Me

I agree with these suggestions. Clearly Hydro Pump is the standard for cards that should be set to 1 instead of 0. Other cards set to 0 clearly aren't as powerful as this card so they should be unrestricted as long as Pump is at 1.

Also, I'd like to motion that we put Sasuke Uchiha (State 2) back at 1 because it only really benefits one element and can't play any really powerful jutsu effects. Please consider unbanning this card as long as Hydro Pump is at 1.

Well then ill ask you.

Can I have trigram back?
Or can kamui be errata'd to be like trigram?
I mean we get card alterations all the time. Some that completely change how a card was meant to be.

I obviously just want trigram back.

[NarutoTBF]

Originally Posted by Tsu Kiyo Me

I agree with these suggestions. Clearly Hydro Pump is the standard for cards that should be set to 1 instead of 0. Other cards set to 0 clearly aren't as powerful as this card so they should be unrestricted as long as Pump is at 1.

Also, I'd like to motion that we put Sasuke Uchiha (State 2) back at 1 because it only really benefits one element and can't play any really powerful jutsu effects. Please consider unbanning this card as long as Hydro Pump is at 1.

State 2 was so wrong, people cried about one oc, and ST2 hits and your whole field is oc? GTFO.

Originally Posted by WizKid

Well then ill ask you.

Can I have trigram back?
Or can kamui be errata'd to be like trigram?
I mean we get card alterations all the time. Some that completely change how a card was meant to be.

I obviously just want trigram back.

NO, turn 3 snipe is not coming back unless 2K comes back. Don't you people say Flower Pedals either, that is off element and Lightning doesn't need MORE cards that require jutsus or certain ninjas on the field or in the discard to be of any use.

[yagermeister]

Originally Posted by spiralblitz

If sealing the evil comes off I'm gonna abuse it with the new yamato, hes basically a free 4 drop tree guy.
SO that should definitely stay on the list.

I think giant ninja toad is overrated IT really can only be played in one deck. so what if its bustable its only broken in one deck :sarcasm:

but that one deck is busted as hell with GNT legal. I feel that just because a card is only good in one deck type that does not mean that it is not ban worthy. look at sasuke state 2. He was only busted in handless water, but still banworthy. Hydro pump probably should have stayed gone. GNT needs to stay gone. I'm iffy on sealing the evil.

why GNT needs to stay gone.
turn 1 summoning jutsu bounce a ninja.
turn 2 drop kichi. drop GNT permanently. bounce another ninja.
Then just cruise control to victory.

It was not consistent enough to happen every game, but consistent enough to where it was a problem.

[WizKid]

Originally Posted by NarutoTBF

State 2 was so wrong, people cried about one oc, and ST2 hits and your whole field is oc? GTFO.



NO, turn 3 snipe is not coming back unless 2K comes back. Don't you people say Flower Pedals either, that is off element and Lightning doesn't need MORE cards that require jutsus or certain ninjas on the field or in the discard to be of any use.

Why not? Pump is a turn three snipe in the right deck.

[Tsu Kiyo Me]

Originally Posted by NarutoTBF

State 2 was so wrong, people cried about one oc, and ST2 hits and your whole field is oc? GTFO.

But people can sack wins off of Hydro Pump on turns 3~5. He won't even get out in time, and he doesn't win games all by himself.

He is totally a fair card (along with Giant Ninja Toad, Baki, Naruto Reliance, Kankuro Tactician, Water Style: Water Dragon from BP, Sealing the Evil, and Chidori Stream) as long as Hydro Pump is at 1

[Spectre121]

JDragon makes a valid point.

Hydro Pump is a universal removal justsu with devastating, curve destroying effects. It has a cost that is easily met, and requirement that is a joke.

The arguments for the other cards, while they seem sarcastic, have been made logical by Hydro Pump remaining at 1.

Giant Ninja Toad: Limited to a Lightning Toad deck. The removal is NOT universal by any means (only a 3rd turn and lower), and the method of getting him out is not broad spectrum (Summoning Jutsu which has a two LIGHTNING cost, and Gamakichi which gives your opponent two BR's back.). Toads hasn't won much lately, Valentin topped at FL SJC, but thats Valentin...he's an amazing player.

Sasuke State 2: Incredible card, was unfair when it was at three and you could reinforce into three times and with the same Reinforcement. At 1, it was annoying, but manageable. What jutsus does water have that this card could use that can ravage your field now? Chidori? Striking Shadow Snake? (Which by the way can hurt enemy State 2s if necessary.) Multiple Striking Shadow Snake? That 4 cost...WATER jutsu that chakra's an opposing ninja? With Pump at one, there is very little reason for a specific elemental answer to the overpowered jutsu. This is the most far fetched of the unbannings, but still a candidate.

Sealing the Evil: A much less severe version of Hydro Pump, limited to a total of two users, limited to a specific element, in specific turns. Honestly?

Furious Current: A much more expensive version of Sealing the Evil, with a more universal requirement line, for an element that generates a lot of chakra. It's fair based solely on the fact that it can potentially cost 7 chakra to get a 6 drop. At 1, It would be neat.

I agree with the lot of you, some shouldn't come back, but with Hydro at 1, theres no reason these shouldn't be legal, it makes no sense. Bandai has showed a sign of weakness in letting people openly influence. The testers should see the issues in their design ahead of time, which they did, and stick to their guns and ban the problems, which they did, and no go back to their decisions, which they did not.

tl:dr version: Hydro is a problem, shouldn't have come back, unban other cards.

[NarutoTBF]

Originally Posted by WizKid

Why not? Pump is a turn three snipe in the right deck.

1 deck can us it turn 3 if they are pretty sack. Without reliance it's even harder to do and with pump at 1... do I need to continue?

Originally Posted by Tsu Kiyo Me

But people can sack wins off of Hydro Pump on turns 3~5. He won't even get out in time, and he doesn't win games all by himself.

He is totally a fair card (along with Giant Ninja Toad, Baki, Naruto Reliance, Kankuro Tactician, Water Style: Water Dragon from BP, Sealing the Evil, and Chidori Stream) as long as Hydro Pump is at 1

At turn 6 water has a lot of chakra and quite a few jutsu sitting in it waiting for him. NO.

[Kisame8988]

Originally Posted by NarutoTBF

1 deck can us it turn 3 if they are pretty sack. Without reliance it's even harder to do and with pump at 1... do I need to continue?

Yes, you do. I can't read or understand English, can you please translate what you just said into Latin?

[CursedSealingDragon]

Originally Posted by Kisame8988

Yes, you do. I can't read or understand English, can you please translate what you just said into Latin?

Winning

Anyways, I know most of you are just kidding, but obviously none of the cards mentioned should come of the rogue list. Although, I could see Furious Current coming to 1. It's hard to draw into it early in the game, but even then, your opponent is only set back 1 turn, and your getting rid of a 0 or 1 drop.You might need to hard charge, and could be losing Ninjas with ambush. Late game, it's at the lowest a 5 Water for removing 1 Ninja, which compared to Hydro-pump, is worse. Am I right?