Naruto Cup: Final Round Uzumaki Naruto vs. Hyuuga Neji

[spiralblitz]

lol neji can't seal kyubi chakra.

The moment neji Seals naruto's chakra network is the moment The Kyubi chakra gets triggered.

so If neji actually was dumb enough to do that A SECOND TIME, he would deserve to lose.

lets face it you guys, Naruto is made of HAX and Power Creep.

[Dalegna]

Originally Posted by spiralblitz

lol neji can't seal kyubi chakra.

The moment neji Seals naruto's chakra network is the moment The Kyubi chakra gets triggered.

so If neji actually was dumb enough to do that A SECOND TIME, he would deserve to lose.

lets face it you guys, Naruto is made of HAX and Power Creep.

dont forget he can kill his chakra with spaming Shadow clones and trigger the demon fox chakra like he did in training with the pervy sage

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Dalegna

now your hitting shippuden naruto now he has real skill being able to control the Nine tail and go to sage mode. but the fight with haku he got lucky haku was nice and would of been died along time ago plus the seal broke thats kinda lucky to if you ask me. the mizuki well that just very unlucky of mizuki getting hit with 1k shadowclone LOL. now as for the rain ninjas sasuke spotted them out but your right naruto whiped some rear but falls in the 20% of not luck. now im not calling this fight a lucky fight but what stoping naruto or even neji from getting luck i mean its kinda hard to take naruto serious back then is he aloud to use the nine tails powers? if so naruto has a chance in winning this fight due to the fact that he will have more chakra and will be faster then neji is

by that logic everyone who has ever won a fight was lucky.

remember that with haku, eyah he was nice...but naruto showed up late. had naruto arrived to a dead sasuke <and depending on how quickly he died, possibly a dead sakura as well>, well, the result probably would have been the same. plus, i hear the fox likes staying alive =/

and of course he's allowed to use the 9 tailed foxes chakra. why WOULDN'T he be. i mean these two have fought before and naruto used it then. naruto not being able to use at least SOME of it would just be unfair as neji > foxless naruto the way the tournament works is that we take each combatant from a certain spot <usually directly after a fight> make them 100% healed. and bam that's it. any restrictions to abilities will be noted <for example, we put a limit on naruto's shadow clones and being unable to use the summoning jutsu.>. they will be completely capable of any and all things that they were capable of doing at the point we took them from unless we say otherwise things that are anime exclusive do not count.

this naruto was taken directly after his fight with sasuke. he can go up to one tail

Originally Posted by Dalegna

dont forget he can kill his chakra with spaming Shadow clones and trigger the demon fox chakra like he did in training with the pervy sage

or he could, y'know, go "hey, stupid fox. its that time again"

[Dalegna]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

he could, y'know, go "hey, stupid fox. its that time again"

yea he can LOL

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by codecatx5

Naruto punched his way through the crystal ice mirrors and at a speed in which Haku couldn't move out the way by accessing the kyubi's chakra. When he fought Neji the first time Naruto was capable of going at a speed Neji couldn't keep up with or to the least was on par with Neji's speed. We do know that because it happened. So it's fairly safe to assume that Kyubi Naruto is faster than Neji and stronger than Neji because he's accomplished no such feats as to have dissapeared off the grid of a Byakugan.

neji is the speed of rock lee. he's at 4 speed to naruto's 3, which is a massive difference. in the eyes of hahonryuu, it puts him at an even greater advantage of speed than during the chunin exams (2 vs 3 as opposed to 3 vs 4) which means he can handle more clones with less difficulty.

Originally Posted by Dalegna

well to be fair it would be nice if we had like a number on chakra and how much chakra eaqch move takes to cast so we can get a 100% sure win cuz for all we kno rotation cant stop rasengan

I see no reason it wouldn't. it's a spinning shinra tensei.

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

we don't know that neji's 2.5 in strength is lower than naruto's pre kyuubi 3? we don't know that kyuubi naruto is faster then neji's 4, when sasuke couldn't keep track of kyuubi naruto with 2 tomoe and 3.5 speed, but could easily keep up with haku's 4 with no sharingan at all and a speed lower than 3.5 <i believe you and I came to 1.5-2.5>? why that sounds like 1 of those is positively indisputable fact and the other 1 is a strongly implied educated guess.

1: though naruto's strength was lower than that. my bad.
2: did you even read my post in the other thread? sasuke also couldn't keep track of lee (same speed as haku) with 2 tomoe, and yet he kept track of haku? when he is FASTER than 4 while in the mirrors? I disregard that entirely because it's inconsistent.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

neji is the speed of rock lee. he's at 4 speed to naruto's 3, which is a massive difference. in the eyes of hahonryuu, it puts him at an even greater advantage of speed than during the chunin exams (2 vs 3 as opposed to 3 vs 4) which means he can handle more clones with less difficulty.

definitely. in no way can anon kyuubi naruto fight neji and expect to win. neji is faster and a better fighter and his vision greatly reduces naruto's odds of tricking him. but neji was barely able to fight against a glowing naruto. fangs and claws would use said descriptions to tear neji a new...everything. and 1 tail? please

funny how against gaara, when you wanted gaara to win, you were convinced neji's true speed wasn't a 4...but now that your in favor of neji "is the speed of rock lee" hmm, curious

Originally Posted by Nejifan

I see no reason it wouldn't. it's a spinning shinra tensei.

i wouldn't put it like that exactly <funny, cuz i image shinra tensei would indeed be able to push gaaras sand away. another double standard it seems > but i agree that rasengan wouldn't do much. at best it would disrupt the rotation but still rotation would, well, do its thing. so nor eal contact would be made. besides, sticking your hand near that just doesn't seem like a good idea >_>

for the record, rotation far more reminds me of a rasengan...only one that's person sized. now the overall anatomy and specifics are different enough <i mean bigger rasengans that are rotation sized certainly don't act quite the same>, but essentially both are masses of chakra spinning around. sounds much closer to rasengan that shinra tensei...to me anyway. even in looks.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1: though naruto's strength was lower than that. my bad.

seriously, look the stuff up. its not hard bro. at least if your going to continue referencing specific stats and comparing them to someone else <"this person is stronger/faster/smarter than this person">

Originally Posted by Nejifan

2: did you even read my post in the other thread? sasuke also couldn't keep track of lee (same speed as haku) with 2 tomoe, and yet he kept track of haku? when he is FASTER than 4 while in the mirrors? I disregard that entirely because it's inconsistent.

did you even read my response to it?

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

definitely. in no way can anon kyuubi naruto fight neji and expect to win. neji is faster and a better fighter and his vision greatly reduces naruto's odds of tricking him. but neji was barely able to fight against a glowing naruto. fangs and claws would use said descriptions to tear neji a new...everything. and 1 tail? please

funny how against gaara, when you wanted gaara to win, you were convinced neji's true speed wasn't a 4...but now that your in favor of neji "is the speed of rock lee" hmm, curious

i wouldn't put it like that exactly <funny, cuz i image shinra tensei would indeed be able to push gaaras sand away. another double standard it seems > but i agree that rasengan wouldn't do much. at best it would disrupt the rotation but still rotation would, well, do its thing. so nor eal contact would be made. besides, sticking your hand near that just doesn't seem like a good idea >_>

for the record, rotation far more reminds me of a rasengan...only one that's person sized. now the overall anatomy and specifics are different enough <i mean bigger rasengans that are rotation sized certainly don't act quite the same>, but essentially both are masses of chakra spinning around. sounds much closer to rasengan that shinra tensei...to me anyway. even in looks.



seriously, look the stuff up. its not hard bro. at least if your going to continue referencing specific stats and comparing them to someone else <"this person is stronger/faster/smarter than this person">



did you even read my response to it?

1: bolded. The fact remains, neji WAS able to go toe-to-toe with a kyuubi naruto and still almost win. he is the only fighter thus far (minus sasuke) who can say that. (except possibly kimi if I remember right, but kimi was ungodly strong to begin with. honestly, were he healthy, I'd put him ABOVE sannin level. ) and btw it's not a double standard, I still don't think neji is that fast, however if we are concluding that naruto is, then neji by default would have to be, since during the chunin exams he was able to keep up with a kyuubi naruto, when he was at 3 speed. his speed has gone up more than naruto's has (1 point for both, but you say 3-4 is more than 2-3) so he would have even less trouble keeping up with fanged/clawed naruto. now the 1 tail thing is still a bit iffy, but with just the orange glow, naruto still couldn't handle neji.

2: first, I disagree that shinra tensei would repel gaara's sand. (except that MASSIVE one that wiped out the village lol, THAT would repel it most certainly) if gaara was on the offense, I think shinra tensei would stop the sand where it was, until the effect wore off and then it would continue forward. secondly, shinra tensei is a release of chakra in a sphere around the body, rotation is similar in the fact that it is a dome, only it is spinning, this is why I say they are similar. rasengan seems a bit far fetched since it is spinning in multiple directions simultaneously, which is impossible with rotation.

3: it's not worth my time to look the stats up. I don't agree fully with the datebooks anyway remember? oh, and also, I just had a thought. speaking of the data books, could you look up kimi's recorded speed for me? I was just thinking about something, and I have a theory....

4: I had not read your response at the time of posting. I recant that particular arguement.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1: bolded. The fact remains, neji WAS able to go toe-to-toe with a kyuubi naruto and still almost win. he is the only fighter thus far (minus sasuke) who can say that. (except possibly kimi if I remember right, but kimi was ungodly strong to begin with. honestly, were he healthy, I'd put him ABOVE sannin level. ) and btw it's not a double standard, I still don't think neji is that fast, however if we are concluding that naruto is, then neji by default would have to be, since during the chunin exams he was able to keep up with a kyuubi naruto, when he was at 3 speed. his speed has gone up more than naruto's has (1 point for both, but you say 3-4 is more than 2-3) so he would have even less trouble keeping up with fanged/clawed naruto. now the 1 tail thing is still a bit iffy, but with just the orange glow, naruto still couldn't handle neji.

thing is, the kyuubi naruto neji fought against before was preeetty tame compared to what he would be up against this time. jut glowing, no real transformation at all. eyes, whisker marks, nails, teeth...all remained unchanged. not to say what neji did was unimpressive. he fought well against a jinchuuriki all things considering. but saying that he could pull that off against 1 tail naruto? seems iffy

Originally Posted by Nejifan

2: first, I disagree that shinra tensei would repel gaara's sand. (except that MASSIVE one that wiped out the village lol, THAT would repel it most certainly)

then you crazy. shinra tensei isnt like some other jutsu where the power is more or less set. its like fireball...it can be as big and powerful as you wan't so long as you have the chakra to make it that strong. he was able to send 3 bunta sized toads <including bunta> flying miles away just like *snaps fingers* that...and when he did that, apparently that wasn't enough power to push it over the 5 second rule or cause extra harm to nagato like destroying the village did. ANYTHING can be shinra tensei'd away. believe it!

Originally Posted by Nejifan

if gaara was on the offense, I think shinra tensei would stop the sand where it was

sure, if he wasn't trying. gamabunta gamaken and gamahiro disagree with you >_>

Originally Posted by Nejifan

until the effect wore off and then it would continue forward. secondly, shinra tensei is a release of chakra in a sphere around the body

if it was a sphere no matter what, then why point his arms? seems to me like its much more likely that it releases as a <large> pulse forward from the hands. unless pain is just trying to look gangster 0_o. also, if that were true then any time he shinra tensei'd he would hit his fellow pain bodies, which hasn't been the case. its obviously ore controlled that a sphere. maybe he can MAKE it a sphere if he wants, but to say that it in of itself is a sphere seems wrong.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

rotation is similar in the fact that it is a dome, only it is spinning, this is why I say they are similar. rasengan seems a bit far fetched since it is spinning in multiple directions simultaneously, which is impossible with rotation.

IIRC the chakra is bouncing around, but its really only spinning in one main direction. seems like the centripetal force of the rotation is what helps keep it compressed in that shape. if there was other chakra spinning in the other direction...then why do people always spin clockwise after being rasenganed? wouldn't they just fly backwards not spinning since there were equal forces trying to spin them in the other direction? and if its just that the majority of it is moving the other direction and that causes them to spin in that direction, then that means that essentially most of it is spinning in one direction anyway, making the negligible amount spinning in other directions kinda moot.

by similar all i meant was that they were both spheres of chakra rotating at high speeds. difference being that one is hand sized and more compressed and used mainly as an offense while the other is around the entire body and used mainly for defense

Originally Posted by Nejifan

3: it's not worth my time to look the stats up.

yet you insist on continuously posting wrong states and making false statements comparing two peoples stats that you don't even know, forcing me to use up my time correcting you? its not worth your time to do research and back up your arguments? its not worth your time to make sure your arguments are even valid? which basically is the same as going "this person wins...because i said so"

Originally Posted by Nejifan

I don't agree fully with the datebooks anyway remember? oh, and also, I just had a thought. speaking of the data books, could you look up kimi's recorded speed for me? I was just thinking about something, and I have a theory....

sorry, its just not worth my time to go look the stats up. but of course you don't fully agree with the databooks anyway, so it shouldn't matter what his speed is

[Dalegna]

i dont understand why is this even going on We all kno neji will lose to one tail now if it where jonin neji then i would give it to neji but thats not the case i like neji and all and faver him cuz he is a beast but he is fighting a real beast and he cant win this fight

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

thing is, the kyuubi naruto neji fought against before was preeetty tame compared to what he would be up against this time. jut glowing, no real transformation at all. eyes, whisker marks, nails, teeth...all remained unchanged. not to say what neji did was unimpressive. he fought well against a jinchuuriki all things considering. but saying that he could pull that off against 1 tail naruto? seems iffy




then you crazy. shinra tensei isnt like some other jutsu where the power is more or less set. its like fireball...it can be as big and powerful as you wan't so long as you have the chakra to make it that strong. he was able to send 3 bunta sized toads <including bunta> flying miles away just like *snaps fingers* that...and when he did that, apparently that wasn't enough power to push it over the 5 second rule or cause extra harm to nagato like destroying the village did. ANYTHING can be shinra tensei'd away. believe it!



sure, if he wasn't trying. gamabunta gamaken and gamahiro disagree with you >_>


if it was a sphere no matter what, then why point his arms? seems to me like its much more likely that it releases as a <large> pulse forward from the hands. unless pain is just trying to look gangster 0_o. also, if that were true then any time he shinra tensei'd he would hit his fellow pain bodies, which hasn't been the case. its obviously ore controlled that a sphere. maybe he can MAKE it a sphere if he wants, but to say that it in of itself is a sphere seems wrong.



IIRC the chakra is bouncing around, but its really only spinning in one main direction. seems like the centripetal force of the rotation is what helps keep it compressed in that shape. if there was other chakra spinning in the other direction...then why do people always spin clockwise after being rasenganed? wouldn't they just fly backwards not spinning since there were equal forces trying to spin them in the other direction? and if its just that the majority of it is moving the other direction and that causes them to spin in that direction, then that means that essentially most of it is spinning in one direction anyway, making the negligible amount spinning in other directions kinda moot.

by similar all i meant was that they were both spheres of chakra rotating at high speeds. difference being that one is hand sized and more compressed and used mainly as an offense while the other is around the entire body and used mainly for defense



yet you insist on continuously posting wrong states and making false statements comparing two peoples stats that you don't even know, forcing me to use up my time correcting you? its not worth your time to do research and back up your arguments? its not worth your time to make sure your arguments are even valid? which basically is the same as going "this person wins...because i said so"



sorry, its just not worth my time to go look the stats up. but of course you don't fully agree with the databooks anyway, so it shouldn't matter what his speed is

1. once again, comparing the sand to creatures/people isn't valid.

2. that's like saying why does naruto make the hand sign for clones. we've already seen him make clones without doing that, yet the majority of the time he does it anyway. same with choji and expansion. choji doesn't have to do any signs to expand, and yet against jirobo he did do signs. However the theory that it pulses form his hands is a valid arguement.

3. and IIRC naruto learned the rasengan by learning to "spin left and right at the same time". as for the spinning causing it to be spherical, may I direct your attention to jiraiy'as super jumbo rasengan, it was not a sphere IIRC.

4. fair enough. my theory was that gaara's sand might have actually sped up since fighting lee. kimi was barely able to dodge it, and I was thinking he was pretty fast. but then again I could be wrong. we had basically deemed the sands speed as 2.5, but I was thinking kimi was higher than 3 in speed.