Naruto Cup: Round 6 Kidoumaru vs. Gaara

[hahonryuu]

ok, let me ask you this neji


do you think that if kido made a shadow clone <hypothetically>, the shadow clone went state 2 and got the bow out and got read to fire

and at the same time the real kido was getting ready to run, and they were parallel ...do you think kido could outrun his arrow?

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

ok, let me ask you this neji


do you think that if kido made a shadow clone <hypothetically>, the shadow clone went state 2 and got the bow out and got read to fire

and at the same time the real kido was getting ready to run, and they were parallel ...do you think kido could outrun his arrow?

idk kido's speed offhand, but my guess would be no since neji couldn't out run the arrow. kido would have to be faster than neji. Personally I see no correlation to the fight at hand, since gaara doesn't have to dodge as quickly since he can block it. Besides, lets say gaara gets hit with an arrow. He has the sand crawl up the arrow, similar to what neji did, but also having some go along the ground to come up behind him, sealing his escape route, and sand burials kido for gg. far as we know NOBODY but kimi can survive a sand burial.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

idk kido's speed offhand, but my guess would be no since neji couldn't out run the arrow. kido would have to be faster than neji. Personally I see no correlation to the fight at hand, since gaara doesn't have to dodge as quickly since he can block it. Besides, lets say gaara gets hit with an arrow. He has the sand crawl up the arrow, similar to what neji did, but also having some go along the ground to come up behind him, sealing his escape route, and sand burials kido for gg. far as we know NOBODY but kimi can survive a sand burial.

i agree, i would think kido's arrow would move much faster than himself. i just wanted to hear you agree

kido's speed is 3. sasuke's speed when he fought gaara was 3. the arrow is faster than 3. therefore that arrow can indeed get through the auto guard, and if it hits gaaras head then its GG

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

i agree, i would think kido's arrow would move much faster than himself. i just wanted to hear you agree

kido's speed is 3. sasuke's speed when he fought gaara was 3. the arrow is faster than 3. therefore that arrow can indeed get through the auto guard, and if it hits gaaras head then its GG

I wasn't refering to the 'auto guard' when I said gaara could block it. he has sand cocoon, which is d$%# near impregnable (exception being lightning chakra). he also has his third eye, the 'sand eye' that he used during the chunin exams to be able to see his opponent WHILE inside the sand cocoon.

on a totally unrelated note, if sasuke was able to get past gaara's sand at a 3 speed, that means that kiba could have raped gaara, since he was 3.5, and lee was a 4, so why in god's name did lee have such a hard time? with lee's strength being significantly higher than sasuke's and a full point more speed w/o gates, he should have been able to get through the sand armor EASILY. wtf...

this is proof that the databook is innacurate since lee and sasuke, according to the manga, were supposed to be the same speed by the time sasuke fought gaara.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

I wasn't refering to the 'auto guard' when I said gaara could block it. he has sand cocoon, which is d$%# near impregnable (exception being lightning chakra). he also has his third eye, the 'sand eye' that he used during the chunin exams to be able to see his opponent WHILE inside the sand cocoon.

prove it? we saw it used once, and that one time it got penetrated. its 0 for 1.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

on a totally unrelated note, if sasuke was able to get past gaara's sand at a 3 speed, that means that kiba could have raped gaara, since he was 3.5, and lee was a 4, so why in god's name did lee have such a hard time? with lee's strength being significantly higher than sasuke's and a full point more speed w/o gates, he should have been able to get through the sand armor EASILY. wtf...

not sure what to tell you.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

this is proof that the databook is innacurate since lee and sasuke, according to the manga, were supposed to be the same speed by the time sasuke fought gaara.

it proves no such thing.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

prove it? we saw it used once, and that one time it got penetrated. its 0 for 1.




not sure what to tell you.



it proves no such thing.

A: the sand cocoon is the same move as 'shield of shukaku' in as far as they are both the same concentration/density/hardness. The only difference is that gaara knew where the attack was coming from against kido so he put it all in front of him instead of around him.

B: if sasuke is the same speed as lee in the manga, and in the databook they are different, the databook is wrong. nothing you can do about it. if it is wrong about 1 stat, then none of the other's can be fully relied upon.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

A: the sand cocoon is the same move as 'shield of shukaku' in as far as they are both the same concentration/density/hardness. The only difference is that gaara knew where the attack was coming from against kido so he put it all in front of him instead of around him.

thats pure speculation and you have no way to prove that. there could be a vast difference in chakra control and amount put into shield of shukaku to make it MUCH stronger than the cocoon

Originally Posted by Nejifan

B: if sasuke is the same speed as lee in the manga, and in the databook they are different, the databook is wrong. nothing you can do about it. if it is wrong about 1 stat, then none of the other's can be fully relied upon.

*facepalm* yet kishi keeps releasing databooks. if they can't be relied upon then why would he make them. the databook is right, plain and simple

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

thats pure speculation and you have no way to prove that. there could be a vast difference in chakra control and amount put into shield of shukaku to make it MUCH stronger than the cocoon




*facepalm* yet kishi keeps releasing databooks. if they can't be relied upon then why would he make them. the databook is right, plain and simple

A: we have no reason to doubt that gaara's sand coccoon was not at max density, as the entire purpose of it was to repel as many attacks as possible. therefore, I consider them roughly the same tech. and even if for some reason it ISN'T as dense, it still repels all melee and weapons and water and fire jutsu so for all intents and purposes, it's the same move.

B: again, just because kishi said it, doesn't make it true. if it's contradictive, it's not true, no matter who said it. kishi also wrote the manga, and in this instance the manga and databooks do not agree.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

A: we have no reason to doubt that gaara's sand coccoon was not at max density, as the entire purpose of it was to repel as many attacks as possible. therefore, I consider them roughly the same tech. and even if for some reason it ISN'T as dense, it still repels all melee and weapons and water and fire jutsu so for all intents and purposes, it's the same move.

so you completely ignore what i said about difference in chakra control and amount put in huh. ok. this is me reminding you.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

B: again, just because kishi said it, doesn't make it true. if it's contradictive, it's not true, no matter who said it. kishi also wrote the manga, and in this instance the manga and databooks do not agree.

incorrect. well, when it comes to the naruto world anyway

[Hikari Link]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

A: we have no reason to doubt that gaara's sand coccoon was not at max density, as the entire purpose of it was to repel as many attacks as possible. therefore, I consider them roughly the same tech. and even if for some reason it ISN'T as dense, it still repels all melee and weapons and water and fire jutsu so for all intents and purposes, it's the same move.

B: again, just because kishi said it, doesn't make it true. if it's contradictive, it's not true, no matter who said it. kishi also wrote the manga, and in this instance the manga and databooks do not agree.

A: That's pure speculation. There are any number of reasns that it might not be as dense. You presume far too much.

B: Yes it does, it's his manga. If anything, the manga is less reliable and the databooks would logically take precedence, since he can look back at everything and better make sense of it. Also, just because somebody says something in the manga, doesn't make it so. There could be any number of factors that could account for discrepancies in the dialogue, as opposed to things being more clear-cut and objective in the databooks. Let me just make something crystal clear right now though, otherwise you might keep trying to argue it. We are taking the databooks as 100% fact. End of discussion.