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[password]

Originally Posted by Hiei_Zero

Other Gaaras not being playable is bull**** and you know it. Every gaara in existance is overshadowed by the fact that Gaara ip just ****s all over them cause he goes and grabs snipe jutsus all day and wrecks the field just for swinging. What you mean to say is no gaara does what IP does and that is true.
Vortex shouldn't be 3 chakra i swing the game by putting you back 3 turns and get 2 Battle rewards for it. As for Water dragon, This card put water on the map because its retarded you shouldn't be able to kill a ninja for x chakra from anwhere in an element that can effectively make it uncounterable.

I see your points but respectfully disagaree. For tempo i was considering doing something to it im just not sure what to do to hurt it yet.

Water Dragon is a coin flip...your silly...

[FinalValkyrie]

Originally Posted by password

Water Dragon is a coin flip...your silly...

Im an avid Water player and I agreed with these changes.

Water's main thing for the longest time was very powerful jutsus, but limited to having to battle to use them. Dragon changed that, and therefore the dynamics of the elements. I rarely, RARELY do not kill a ninja with Water Dragon when I use it, unless Im satisfied simply injuring it... for example a pesky Shika U.

[Hiei_Zero]

Originally Posted by password

Water Dragon is a coin flip...your silly...

I know its a coin flip turns out 3 chakra o make a ninja die any ninja when you opponent has no chakara thanks to threat is pretty good...

[kirbyrocks101]

pretty cool errata and list
i like it
but guess what?
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN LOL
GET OVER IT

edit: i also like how it's basically on making the game more 'fun'
not just making it better

[Tsu Kiyo Me]

Originally Posted by Hiei_Zero

Other Gaaras not being playable is bull**** and you know it. Every gaara in existance is overshadowed by the fact that Gaara ip just ****s all over them cause he goes and grabs snipe jutsus all day and wrecks the field just for swinging. What you mean to say is no gaara does what IP does and that is true.
Vortex shouldn't be 3 chakra i swing the game by putting you back 3 turns and get 2 Battle rewards for it. As for Water dragon, This card put water on the map because its retarded you shouldn't be able to kill a ninja for x chakra from anwhere in an element that can effectively make it uncounterable.

I see your points but respectfully disagaree. For tempo i was considering doing something to it im just not sure what to do to hurt it yet.

Let's take a look at the playable Gaara:

Gaara TN (which was errata'd to be good but not stellar like it is now)
Gaara Sand Barrier (Solid 2 drop option but 2 drop Gaaras don't have access to Wind's best jutsus)
Gaara Convo (Shukaku is good but not amazing)
Gaara IP (Banned in this format)
Gaara 5 Drop Presence (Good option but completely overshadowed by Sasori as Winds 5 drop)
Gaara Insanity

Did I miss anything that isn't completely power creeped? (Not saying that to be mean, I'm seriously asking if I missed any big contenders. These are the only ones I see) Insanity's effect doesn't work on Chakra or Discard so basically he sets you back a turn to draw 2.
(Also his lack of support IS a big deal. Gaara was good because of his +1, Good Jutsu pool, 5 Combat, and he had decent support. Isanity is basically a worse Might Guy and we all know how many times he shows up in a tier 1 deck. Hell I'd venture Gai has better jutsu too, just he can't search like Gaara can.) He can use any jutsu but lets be honest the only good Gaara jutsu are:
-Levitation
-Coffin (SR and Coils)
-Tomb
-Blade
-Tsunami
-1 of Great Burial

Most of those aren't worth building a whole deck around without the search. The +1 is what makes Gaara decks Gaara. Unlike Kakashi, Gaara's jutsu don't win games all by themselves. It takes 3 or 4 to end a game. And that's why you need the swarm.

The only really good replacement is Insanity that I can see. And it takes a situational Tier 1 deck to a solid Tier 2. Your only option to play Tier 1 Wind is Control where as the other elements still have multiple ways to play.

[FinalValkyrie]

Gaara has been a problem since he came out, and we were trying to think of ways to water him down a bit.

My suggestion was to make Tomb and DSB Target: 1 Ninja Battling against the user. But in the end, we just banned him. Basically your Gaara can have 3 straight removal cards in the deck, with a few other equally good cards, without being able to search one out everytime he swings.

There's a few good Turn 4 Gaaras I would try out before poopooing it. Formation of Sand seems fun.

We knew the biggest thing people would call us out on would be Gaara, but we did it anyway.

Kirby - GEE ARE YOU SURE!?

[Vachaox]

dude, if you ban gaara, you may as well ban yamato and the first hokage as well. oh wait, and then naruto, rock lee, the fourth, might guy, and jiraiya. then while your at it, get kakashi, itachi, and the third hokage. and finally, every jonin or higher rank ninja with a water symbol.

without gaara, wind really has nothing. he isnt that broken. he is beatable.

[kirbyrocks101]

Originally Posted by FinalValkyrie

Gaara has been a problem since he came out, and we were trying to think of ways to water him down a bit.

My suggestion was to make Tomb and DSB Target: 1 Ninja Battling against the user. But in the end, we just banned him. Basically your Gaara can have 3 straight removal cards in the deck, with a few other equally good cards, without being bale to search one out everytime he swings.

There's a few good Turn 4 Gaaras I would try out before poopooing it. Formation of Sand seems fun.

We knew the biggest thing people would call us out on would be Gaara, but we did it anyway.

I'm glad to see it go away
play other gaaras ppl
alots of good turn 5-4 that you could play
and you'd still have sub-par AT LEAST

also,i think threat of the tailed beast is fine and yoroi should be only attacking,but he should be able to effect anything IMO

Originally Posted by Vachaox

dude, if you ban gaara, you may as well ban yamato and the first hokage as well. oh wait, and then naruto, rock lee, the fourth, might guy, and jiraiya. then while your at it, get kakashi, itachi, and the third hokage. and finally, every jonin or higher rank ninja with a water symbol.

without gaara, wind really has nothing. he isnt that broken. he is beatable.

gaara gets justus constently
which are pretty epic and cost little
IMO

all the stuff you listed can't get stuff right away
yamto/naruto is the closest,and still can't keep getting stuff like gaara can

[FinalValkyrie]

Originally Posted by Vachaox

dude, if you ban gaara, you may as well ban yamato and the first hokage as well. oh wait, and then naruto, rock lee, the fourth, might guy, and jiraiya. then while your at it, get kakashi, itachi, and the third hokage. and finally, every jonin or higher rank ninja with a water symbol.

without gaara, wind really has nothing. he isnt that broken. he is beatable.

Do recall a Wind deck won the Sannin without a Gaara IP in the deck.

So your statement is null and void. Wind has PLENTY other options than just Over 9k. Especially now with EA out.

[Hiei_Zero]

Originally Posted by Vachaox

dude, if you ban gaara, you may as well ban yamato and the first hokage as well. oh wait, and then naruto, rock lee, the fourth, might guy, and jiraiya. then while your at it, get kakashi, itachi, and the third hokage. and finally, every jonin or higher rank ninja with a water symbol.

without gaara, wind really has nothing. he isnt that broken. he is beatable.

Sorry but without Gaara wind has other Gaara's, Puppets, Kunoichis, and Mono wind control. Its not about him being unbeatable its about him being ridiculously more powerful than every other Gaara. IP's card advantage can be smothering and as such we removed him from format just that simple.