Do you think Tobi is Obito?

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[ShadowShinobi]

Originally Posted by Crimson

Responses within the quote

I read your responses. And I really should have researched the subject more before making those posts. Tobi does indeed have the Sharingan, and I read Chapter 370. The way it was set up surely gives proof that Tobi is Madara. I NOW believe that Tobi is Madara. There's enough proof and set-up there, just like the Jiraiya and Tsunade conversation that revealed enough about Minato to prove that he was Naruto's father (and chapter 370 CONFIRMS that fact!!!)

But, some people on here prefer actual specific sayings by the manga that confirms the theory. So until that happens, we'll still see the "Tobito vs. Madara" arguing ensue on this forum.

[Minato_Sensei]

Originally Posted by ShadowShinobi

A. Okay, but if you think there is a reason that Obito could be revived in this "crazy Naruto universe" then explain exactly what that reason of yours is.
And Tobi was shown with the Sharingan eye in the manga!? I'll look that up to find official manga pictures and look up various sources to confirm that. Until then.

B. Yeah, uhhh, MAYBE. But that's just a theory backed up with no support or facts. Obito never showed signs of anger towards Minato before and when he was crushed by the rockslide.

C. Just because Tobi's name is in Obito doesn't mean anything. That theory is supported with no basis or facts from the Naruto series since it has no relation to said series.

D. True, but it's very unlikely. Spinoff mangas almost NEVER incorporate what happened in them to the actual manga storyline. Like Kenshin Kaden, Death Note 13, etc. those are all just merely past-revealing flashbacks or focusing on the future of the series after it ends.

My point is, it was just a flashback of Kakashi's past. Not that much of the events of those chapters would be incorporated into the Naruto storyline. Obito would most likely not be mixed into the whole current plot of Naruto unless it involved KAKASHI. But this isn't about Kakashi, this is about Tobi.

E. Which brings me to the point of, Why would Obito establish the Akatsuki? The reasoning for that relates to "Why would Obito turn evil?" which then branches off to point B, which is a theory you made that is supported by no facts.

F. Read point A.

Yeah and, listen to what Crimson said also. He had some good points that I wanted to get across to you too, such as your outlandish theories.

A. Okay, with my crazy imagination, and outlandish stories in my head... I can come up with several crazy naruto universe reasons. But, why should I? They seem to get you guys upset. I am open to either idea... Obito or just Obito's body... With all the coincidences... Obito has to be involved somehow or Kishimoto wouldn't have implied it.

B. Does revenge have to be fueled by anger?
It would be pretty darn difficult to show anger when half your body is crushed.
like you said its all theory and these are just my theories. I am just saying.. if my sensei could be at a hundred places at once and gave me a special kunai to let him know when there was trouble... I would be quite upset that I died by rocks.

C. Play word scramble games. They are fun.

D. Spin it back in, baby!
I think Obito could be mixed into the whole plot.
Naruto's father's pupil.
That's not many degrees of separation.

E. Well, Tobi is the leader of the Akatsuki. Didn't the leader create the Akatsuki?
So, if I think Tobi is Obito, why can't I imagine some outlandish story behind it?

F. *sigh*

G. I am trying to be open minded about all the theories I hear. Obito. not Obito
Does it really matter if you don't convince me he can't be Obito?
I think Kishimoto is having fun making all his fans debate.
Theories = fun.. especially the outlandish ones.
Anti-theories = not fun.. especially when you insult people's intelligence
You manga snobs who know all about the manga and seinen formulas need to chill out and let us have fun with this. geez.

[Mello]

Originally Posted by Crimson

1) Actually it was "sasuke's death?", and that was quite appropriate considering his situation. The chapter titles have always been pretty darn indicative of what's coming or something similar.

2) Who said anything about Pein REVIVING Obito? Come on now, don't twist other's words. I said Pein was the person who made the transfer of Madara INTO Obito's dead body. And that we've seen Pein do transfers of a similar nature before, so it would make sense. Mind you, if you read my last respose at the end of this post, there's another possibility as well.

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1) Chapter 363 "Sasuke's Death!"

And the end chapter names are always like, the next chapter "The battle is over"

Lies

2) Even if thats the case,

Pein: I'll help you become a pwnage being... But theres a catch....

Madara: What is it?

Pein: Make... Me... YOUR B!TCH!!!!!

[ShadowShinobi]

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

A. Okay, with my crazy imagination, and outlandish stories in my head... I can come up with several crazy naruto universe reasons. But, why should I? They seem to get you guys upset. I am open to either idea... Obito or just Obito's body... With all the coincidences... Obito has to be involved somehow or Kishimoto wouldn't have implied it.

B. Does revenge have to be fueled by anger?
It would be pretty darn difficult to show anger when half your body is crushed.
like you said its all theory and these are just my theories. I am just saying.. if my sensei could be at a hundred places at once and gave me a special kunai to let him know when there was trouble... I would be quite upset that I died by rocks.

C. Play word scramble games. They are fun.

D. Spin it back in, baby!
I think Obito could be mixed into the whole plot.
Naruto's father's pupil.
That's not many degrees of separation.

E. Well, Tobi is the leader of the Akatsuki. Didn't the leader create the Akatsuki?
So, if I think Tobi is Obito, why can't I imagine some outlandish story behind it?

F. *sigh*

G. I am trying to be open minded about all the theories I hear. Obito. not Obito
Does it really matter if you don't convince me he can't be Obito?
I think Kishimoto is having fun making all his fans debate.
Theories = fun.. especially the outlandish ones.
Anti-theories = not fun.. especially when you insult people's intelligence
You manga snobs who know all about the manga and seinen formulas need to chill out and let us have fun with this. geez.

A. But like Crimson said, you can't thing along YOUR imagination. You have to think along Kishi's. After all, he's the one making the story. Your baseless theory would never apply to Kishi's story of Naruto. It's just to farfetched.

B. Umm....yes.

revenge-

1. retaliation against a person or group in response to a perceived wrongdoing.
2. to take vengeance for; avenge; vindictiveness

People usually seek out revenge in anger, jealously, envy, or just for their sense of justice. Most of the time, revenge is due to anger of being wronged. Take the whole "Sasuke wants to kill Itachi thing" What does Sasuke feel? ANGER.

C. Scrabble games are irrelevant to this debate. They have nothing to do with it. Stop bringing it up.

D. But could Obito be mixed into the whole Akatsuki plot? Very unlikely.

E. Refer to point A. Your outlandish story is a baseless theory not supported by facts. A theory not supported by facts is just about as worthless as an opinion.

F. *sigh?* What's wrong? Feeling sleepy?!

G. Theories aren't "fun" when they make no sense and are based off farfetched observations and opinions. In a political debate, I'd doubt the candidate would be providing crazy opinions on the issue without the facts and support to back up his opinion.

And I'm not a "manga snob with seinin formulas" I think you are trying to refer to Crimson. (Not that I'm calling you that Crimson) =/

I don't even know what "seinin formulas" are.

[Minato_Sensei]

ShadowShinobi,
If you are not having fun with these theories...
you are taking this debate way too seriously.
You are comparing politics and comics?

*sigh*
you are making me tired.

I am not trying to convince you that Tobi is Obito...
I am trying to make you accept that I think Tobi is Obito.

can't we just agree to disagree?

[ShadowShinobi]

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

ShadowShinobi,
If you are not having fun with these theories...
you are taking this debate way too seriously.
You are comparing politics and comics?

*sigh*
you are making me tired.

I am not trying to convince you that Tobi is Obito...
I am trying to make you accept that I think Tobi is Obito.

can't we just agree to disagree?

I know that. And hey, your the one who stated out your opinions. If you are going to voice out your opinion, be prepared for opposition to your opinion. I'm taking this too seriously!? Well, so were you, because you kept debating back with me and you were comparing comics to scrabble. -_-

Okay, it's over. It's cool. We're cool. No worries! =D

>_>

TIME FOR RANDOM QUESTION OF AWESOMENESS!!!

So what is your opinion on sliced bread? Do you prefer the bread loaf sliced or unsliced? It's better unsliced (that's only if you don't plan on making a sandwich.) There's nothing like ripping off a chunk of bread loaf and eating it. Yumm.....

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by Mello

1) Chapter 363 "Sasuke's Death!"

And the end chapter names are always like, the next chapter "The battle is over"

Lies

2) Even if thats the case,

Pein: I'll help you become a pwnage being... But theres a catch....

Madara: What is it?

Pein: Make... Me... YOUR B!TCH!!!!!

1) Translations differ. I've seen "Sasuke's Death!", "Sasuke's Death?", and "Sasuke's Death?!". Personally, 2 out of 3 have "?" so i'm inclined to go with the question over the statement.

2) That's purely your speculation, lol. How do you know he's not helping Madara so he can get something on his end? Hell I'd suprise me if that WASN'T the case; these are super villains after all. Now it's you who's not using critical thinking skills, lol.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

E. Well, Tobi is the leader of the Akatsuki. Didn't the leader create the Akatsuki?
So, if I think Tobi is Obito, why can't I imagine some outlandish story behind it?

No he's not; Tobi DISNTINCTLY called Pein "the leader" in a previous chapter; in EVERY different translation as well. Pein, as the leader, is stringing along the organization to work WITH Madara, and only,(that we know of) Pein and Kanon know about it. Oh yea and, again, outlandish does not equal naruto, because naruto = shonen, not any other type of manga with outlandish themes or plot twists; and Kishi has proven that NUMEROUS times now, even most recently.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

You manga snobs who know all about the manga and seinen formulas need to chill out and let us have fun with this. geez.

Seeing as how snobs is plural, does that mean your including me? If so, that was SEVERELY uncalled for. Their's no formula to this. It's simple understanding of Japanese CULTURE. I'm sorry you can't dedicate the time to learn about it.

[Minato_Sensei]

ShadowShinobi,
sliced.
i guess we were never meant to agree.

Crimson,
SEVERELY? *shivers*
let me rephrase that then...
You manga readers who dedicate your time to learn about Japanese CULTURE
need to chill out and have fun with this. geez

[Pain11]

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

ShadowShinobi,
sliced.
i guess we were never meant to agree.

Crimson,
SEVERELY? *shivers*
let me rephrase that then...
You manga readers who dedicate your time to learn about Japanese CULTURE
need to chill out and have fun with this. geez

you basically just bashed on japanese culture.


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