Do you think Tobi is Obito?

[Akira Tsurugu]

I actually found this on a website i can't remeber. Madara first of all fought the 1st and 2nd Hokage so Madara is very old (if u ask me) so Tobi can't be him. As for Obito being Tobi its true. I've read that Obito and Tobi have the same hair, have the same sharigan eye spot (right eye), both act the same and Obito can spell Tobi by taking 1 o out. This is all I know.

[ScaryMovie73]

Originally Posted by Akira Tsurugu

I actually found this on a website i can't remeber. Madara first of all fought the 1st and 2nd Hokage so Madara is very old (if u ask me) so Tobi can't be him. As for Obito being Tobi its true. I've read that Obito and Tobi have the same hair, have the same sharigan eye spot (right eye), both act the same and Obito can spell Tobi by taking 1 o out. This is all I know.

Pretty weak argument really >_>...so far it seems more like Madara took Obito's body.

[ShadowShinobi]

Originally Posted by Shadow9019

I do, casue he can't be Madara if you ask me. I tihkn he's Obito because(Spoilers ahead most likely)-

A. He only has one eye hole in the mask, and Obito would only have one eye if he was reserected/survived. what's the point of having two sharingan (Madara) if you only would use one?

B. Tobi says sometihng bought obtaining Madara's power, and Obito could easily be power-hunger for some unexplainable reason.

C. Obito is Tobi with an extra O

That's just what i think, we probably won't find out who tobi really is for a few more chapters.

A. We know he has one eye hole in the mask, but you have no proof that Tobi has a sharingan eye on his right eye. There's no reason AT ALL in the Naruto plotline why Obito would be reanimated. And who would reanimate Obito anyway? Kakashi? Uhhh..no, because Kakashi can't even use the Reanimation Jutsu. And Obito could not have survived that rockslide. It was clearly shown that he didn't.

B. Exactly. UNEXPLAINABLE. Therefore that theory doesn't make sense if you can't explain your reasoning behind it. How could Obito just "suddenly" be power hungry?

C. That provides NO PROOF at all.

You "Tobito" lovers are really retarded. I'm sorry, but, you guys make up the most idiotic theories of why you think Tobi is Obito. You have all forgot one thing.

Obito was only shown in Kakashi Gaiden.

Kakasi Gaiden was a spinoff manga about Kakashi's past life. It had NOTHING to do with the actual Naruto manga's storyline or plot. It was just a flashback of Kakashi's life. Now, things that happen in this spinoff have had little or no reference or mentioning in the Naruto series. Obito most likely died in that rockslide. The chances of surviving that is very slim, and based on the whole set-up throughout those Kakashi Gaiden chapters, it hinted that Obito was most likely dead. Kakashi and Yondaime are the ONLY characters that have a main connection to the Naruto series. Rin and Obito do not. Obito is only relevant to the Kakashi Gaiden storyline, Kakashi's past and Kakashi's sharingan.

You have no proof that Obito is still alive, yet I have just provided decent proof that he did not survive that rockslide. =/ Failure for you.

Akatsuki is an evil crime organization composed of S-Rank criminals.

So yeah, let's just say Obito was still alive. I'm sure that Obito would suddenly turn evil, betray his village, and become an S-Rank criminal. Obito doesn't even have the skills or power of an S-rank ninja. </sarcasm> -_- You can't prove that Obito would have just suddenly joined the Akatsuki. =/ Another failure for the Tobitoes.

You don't know what's behind Tobi's mask.

Just because there is a hole on the left side of the mask, it doesn't prove that his eye on the right side has the Sharingan. You've never seen Tobi's face, so you can't prove that. =/ FAILURE.

Now, I'd LOVE to see you try and prove me wrong about these points I've just brought up, or even try and bring up more of your "proof" of the "Tobito" theory.

[Shadow9019]

Originally Posted by ShadowShinobi

A. We know he has one eye hole in the mask, but you have no proof that Tobi has a sharingan eye on his right eye. There's no reason AT ALL in the Naruto plotline why Obito would be reanimated. And who would reanimate Obito anyway? Kakashi? Uhhh..no, because Kakashi can't even use the Reanimation Jutsu. And Obito could not have survived that rockslide. It was clearly shown that he didn't.

B. Exactly. UNEXPLAINABLE. Therefore that theory doesn't make sense if you can't explain your reasoning behind it. How could Obito just "suddenly" be power hungry?

C. That provides NO PROOF at all.

You "Tobito" lovers are really retarded. I'm sorry, but, you guys make up the most idiotic theories of why you think Tobi is Obito. You have all forgot one thing.

Obito was only shown in Kakashi Gaiden.

Kakasi Gaiden was a spinoff manga about Kakashi's past life. It had NOTHING to do with the actual Naruto manga's storyline or plot. It was just a flashback of Kakashi's life. Now, things that happen in this spinoff have had little or no reference or mentioning in the Naruto series. Obito most likely died in that rockslide. The chances of surviving that is very slim, and based on the whole set-up throughout those Kakashi Gaiden chapters, it hinted that Obito was most likely dead. Kakashi and Yondaime are the ONLY characters that have a main connection to the Naruto series. Rin and Obito do not. Obito is only relevant to the Kakashi Gaiden storyline, Kakashi's past and Kakashi's sharingan.

You have no proof that Obito is still alive, yet I have just provided decent proof that he did not survive that rockslide. =/ Failure for you.

Akatsuki is an evil crime organization composed of S-Rank criminals.

So yeah, let's just say Obito was still alive. I'm sure that Obito would suddenly turn evil, betray his village, and become an S-Rank criminal. Obito doesn't even have the skills or power of an S-rank ninja. </sarcasm> -_- You can't prove that Obito would have just suddenly joined the Akatsuki. =/ Another failure for the Tobitoes.

You don't know what's behind Tobi's mask.

Just because there is a hole on the left side of the mask, it doesn't prove that his eye on the right side has the Sharingan. You've never seen Tobi's face, so you can't prove that. =/ FAILURE.

Now, I'd LOVE to see you try and prove me wrong about these points I've just brought up, or even try and bring up more of your "proof" of the "Tobito" theory.

Someone likes to express there points quite bluntly and rude -_-

He may not be Obito, I can accpet that, but you can't prove he's Madara either. I think he's Obito, you think he's Madara, big deal. I'm not gonna change my opinon cause you spent 10 minutes proving me wrong on some aspects and called me "a retarded Tobito lover".

Seriously man, settle down....

[Crimson]

[b]

Originally Posted by ShadowShinobi

A. We know he has one eye hole in the mask, but you have no proof that Tobi has a sharingan eye on his right eye. There's no reason AT ALL in the Naruto plotline why Obito would be reanimated. And who would reanimate Obito anyway? Kakashi? Uhhh..no, because Kakashi can't even use the Reanimation Jutsu. And Obito could not have survived that rockslide. It was clearly shown that he didn't.

It's called Pein (AL) and his little house of clone horrors. Pay more attention to the manga your reading please.

Again people, the most current chapter points to Tobi almost definitely being Madara, but with the look of Obito's body. The hints towards Tobi = Madara from Jiraiya in the latest chapter are FAR too clean for Tobi to all of a sudden be Obito. And with Pein being able to reanimate people with other's chakra as we have seen prior now, its looking more and more as if Tobi = Madara inhabiting Obito's body (or what was left of it).

Add in the fact that many portions of Tobi's body look black but mechanical, and the idea is even closer to the truth. Regardless, the title of the coming chapter indicates that it's about the past, so we'll possibly get a straight answer once and for all.

[Mello]

Originally Posted by Crimson

It's called Pein (AL) and his little house of clone horrors. Pay more attention to the manga your reading please.

Again people, the most current chapter points to Tobi almost definitely being Madara, but with the look of Obito's body. The hints towards Tobi = Madara from Jiraiya in the latest chapter are FAR too clean for Tobi to all of a sudden be Obito. And with Pein being able to reanimate people with other's chakra as we have seen prior now, its looking more and more as if Tobi = Madara inhabiting Obito's body (or what was left of it).

Add in the fact that many portions of Tobi's body look black but mechanical, and the idea is even closer to the truth. Regardless, the title of the coming chapter indicates that it's about the past, so we'll possibly get a straight answer once and for all.

Well, we have seen a small portion of Tobi's forhead, which wasnt mutilated at all, nor are his toes.

Since when have chapter names been right?

I remember a while back there was one called "Sasukes death"

I cant see Pein reviving Obito either, if that was the case, Tobi would be the subordinate, not vice-versa. Though if Madara stole Obito's body, then it would make sense

But it just being Obito, is blah

[Minato_Sensei]

Originally Posted by ShadowShinobi

A. We know he has one eye hole in the mask, but you have no proof that Tobi has a sharingan eye on his right eye. There's no reason AT ALL in the Naruto plotline why Obito would be reanimated. And who would reanimate Obito anyway? Kakashi? Uhhh..no, because Kakashi can't even use the Reanimation Jutsu. And Obito could not have survived that rockslide. It was clearly shown that he didn't.

B. Exactly. UNEXPLAINABLE. Therefore that theory doesn't make sense if you can't explain your reasoning behind it. How could Obito just "suddenly" be power hungry?

C. That provides NO PROOF at all.


D. Obito was only shown in Kakashi Gaiden.
You have no proof that Obito is still alive, yet I have just provided decent proof that he did not survive that rockslide. =/ Failure for you.

E. Akatsuki is an evil crime organization composed of S-Rank criminals.
You can't prove that Obito would have just suddenly joined the Akatsuki. =/ Another failure for the Tobitoes.

F. You don't know what's behind Tobi's mask.

G. Now, I'd LOVE to see you try and prove me wrong about these points I've just brought up, or even try and bring up more of your "proof" of the "Tobito" theory.

Dear ShadowShinobi,

A. It showed Tobi with Sharingan Eye on the right side a couple times. I would post up a pic... but i think its against the forum rules.
And I am sure there is a reason why Obito could have been reanimated in this crazy naruto universe.

B. He doesn't necessarily have to be power hungry... Maybe he wants revenge on Minato because its Minato's fault that his body is all mangled up. Minato was too busy fighting a war all by himself instead of taking care of his students. Since Minato killed himself, sealing the Uchiha's greatest power... what better way to get revenge? by killing his son and stealing back what belongs to the Uchiha.

C. Kids have done enough word scramble games in elementary to see Tobi's name in Obito. Thats more than enough proof to convince all the young kids its Obito.
How much more foreshadowing do you need?

D. Just because its a spinoff doesn't mean Kishimoto can't spin it back in.

E. If Tobi is Obito... Obito didn't join the Akatsuki, he created it.

F. Refer back to A.

G. Its not about proving anyone wrong. People will still assume that Tobi is Obito until Kishimoto says otherwise.

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by Mello

Well, we have seen a small portion of Tobi's forhead, which wasnt mutilated at all, nor are his toes.

Since when have chapter names been right?

I remember a while back there was one called "Sasukes death"

I cant see Pein reviving Obito either, if that was the case, Tobi would be the subordinate, not vice-versa. Though if Madara stole Obito's body, then it would make sense

1) Actually it was "sasuke's death?", and that was quite appropriate considering his situation. The chapter titles have always been pretty darn indicative of what's coming or something similar.

2) Who said anything about Pein REVIVING Obito? Come on now, don't twist other's words. I said Pein was the person who made the transfer of Madara INTO Obito's dead body. And that we've seen Pein do transfers of a similar nature before, so it would make sense. Mind you, if you read my last respose at the end of this post, there's another possibility as well.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

A. It showed Tobi with Sharingan Eye on the right side a couple times. I would post up a pic... but i think its against the forum rules.
And I am sure there is a reason why Obito could have been reanimated in this crazy naruto universe.

Except your STILL forgetting this is a Shonen manga, not a Seinen. If you don't know what that is or what bearing that has on the Tobi = Obito Revived theory, then you don't quite understand Kishimoto himself. Simply put, Obito revived wouldn't be something thats very shonen like, especially after Kishimoto went through all the trouble of killing him in such a poetic way.

His body coming back to life with the chakra/spirit of the founder of the Uchiha clan? We'll we've seen underlings spring back to life as weak versions of Akatsuki members, and other underlings spring back to life as revived Hokage's, so that's definitely not out of the question.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

B. He doesn't necessarily have to be power hungry... Maybe he wants revenge on Minato because its Minato's fault that his body is all mangled up. Minato was too busy fighting a war all by himself instead of taking care of his students. Since Minato killed himself, sealing the Uchiha's greatest power... what better way to get revenge? by killing his son and stealing back what belongs to the Uchiha.

This is just way out there. I'm gonna go back to my "this is a SHONEN manga, not a Seinen" fact. Seriously, you all have to start thinking along Kishimoto's lines not some outlandish theories. Kishimoto has proven every time that outlandish theories never happen. Why do people continue to insist on them?

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

C. Kids have done enough word scramble games in elementary to see Tobi's name in Obito. Thats more than enough proof to convince all the young kids its Obito.
How much more foreshadowing do you need?

LOL, that's not foreshadowing at all. Go look up the word foreshadowing please. You'd be suprised how many darn Japanese names sound alike and are worded alike yet have no bearing with each other.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

D. Just because its a spinoff doesn't mean Kishimoto can't spin it back in.

Spin it back in? It wasn't a spin off at all. It was an actual look at Kakashi's past. If it was simply a spin off it wouldn't have been entirely canonical.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

E. If Tobi is Obito... Obito didn't join the Akatsuki, he created it.

What did I say about outlandish theories again? ; This one takes the cake though; seriously. It's the UBER far-fetched theory of the day

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

G. Its not about proving anyone wrong. People will still assume that Tobi is Obito until Kishimoto says otherwise.

370 pretty much said otherwise. Unless you don't know what "critical thinking" means and don't know how to "infer", the chapter basically proves Tobi = Madara. The supposed "mystery" is why he looks like Obito's silouhette. Either A) he took Obito's body and Pein helped him achieve that or
B) Kishi is messing with us the same way he messed with us with the Akatsuki leader before we knew he was Pein, and It's still Madara with his hair shorter. We know people don't change their hair color in Naruto, but haircuts? THOSE are common (and their generally done with Kunai's, ).

[ShadowShinobi]

Originally Posted by Shadow9019

Someone likes to express there points quite bluntly and rude -_-

That's because my opinion is, for no apparent reason, greater than yours!!! >_>

lol Just kidding. And I apologize if I came off a little rude. I did not mean to offend anybody. >_>

Originally Posted by Shadow9019

He may not be Obito, I can accpet that, but you can't prove he's Madara either. I think he's Obito, you think he's Madara, big deal. I'm not gonna change my opinon cause you spent 10 minutes proving me wrong on some aspects and called me "a retarded Tobito lover".

Uhhhh when did I ever say that he's Madara. Just because I'm anti-Tobito doesn't mean I'm pro-Madara. I don't agree with the Obito theory, since it outright makes no sense, but I also don't think that Tobi is Madara. I know the supposed manga scanslation came out but I want more scenes for proof, not just a one-panel text stating that Tobi has "Madara's power" that could have been made by a malicious translator.

And yes, I went too far by saying that.I apologize for that and am deeply sorry.

Originally Posted by Minato_Sensei

Dear ShadowShinobi,

A. It showed Tobi with Sharingan Eye on the right side a couple times. I would post up a pic... but i think its against the forum rules.
And I am sure there is a reason why Obito could have been reanimated in this crazy naruto universe.

B. He doesn't necessarily have to be power hungry... Maybe he wants revenge on Minato because its Minato's fault that his body is all mangled up. Minato was too busy fighting a war all by himself instead of taking care of his students. Since Minato killed himself, sealing the Uchiha's greatest power... what better way to get revenge? by killing his son and stealing back what belongs to the Uchiha.

C. Kids have done enough word scramble games in elementary to see Tobi's name in Obito. Thats more than enough proof to convince all the young kids its Obito.
How much more foreshadowing do you need?

D. Just because its a spinoff doesn't mean Kishimoto can't spin it back in.

E. If Tobi is Obito... Obito didn't join the Akatsuki, he created it.

F. Refer back to A.

G. Its not about proving anyone wrong. People will still assume that Tobi is Obito until Kishimoto says otherwise.

A. Okay, but if you think there is a reason that Obito could be revived in this "crazy Naruto universe" then explain exactly what that reason of yours is.
And Tobi was shown with the Sharingan eye in the manga!? I'll look that up to find official manga pictures and look up various sources to confirm that. Until then.

B. Yeah, uhhh, MAYBE. But that's just a theory backed up with no support or facts. Obito never showed signs of anger towards Minato before and when he was crushed by the rockslide.

C. Just because Tobi's name is in Obito doesn't mean anything. That theory is supported with no basis or facts from the Naruto series since it has no relation to said series.

D. True, but it's very unlikely. Spinoff mangas almost NEVER incorporate what happened in them to the actual manga storyline. Like Kenshin Kaden, Death Note 13, etc. those are all just merely past-revealing flashbacks or focusing on the future of the series after it ends.

My point is, it was just a flashback of Kakashi's past. Not that much of the events of those chapters would be incorporated into the Naruto storyline. Obito would most likely not be mixed into the whole current plot of Naruto unless it involved KAKASHI. But this isn't about Kakashi, this is about Tobi.

E. Which brings me to the point of, Why would Obito establish the Akatsuki? The reasoning for that relates to "Why would Obito turn evil?" which then branches off to point B, which is a theory you made that is supported by no facts.

F. Read point A.

Yeah and, listen to what Crimson said also. He had some good points that I wanted to get across to you too, such as your outlandish theories.

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by ShadowShinobi

Uhhhh when did I ever say that he's Madara. Just because I'm anti-Tobito doesn't mean I'm pro-Madara. I don't agree with the Obito theory, since it outright makes no sense, but I also don't think that Tobi is Madara. I know the supposed manga scanslation came out but I want more scenes for proof, not just a one-panel text stating that Tobi has "Madara's power" that could have been made by a malicious translator.

There's more than just that. That's quite a few chapters ago. Read 370.


A. Okay, but if you think there is a reason that Obito could be revived in this "crazy Naruto universe" then explain exactly what that reason of yours is.
And Tobi was shown with the Sharingan eye in the manga!? I'll look that up to find official manga pictures and look up various sources to confirm that. Until then.

At least twice now has Tobi been shown with the sharingan. The latest was in the latest chapter, 370.

D. True, but it's very unlikely. Spinoff mangas almost NEVER incorporate what happened in them to the actual manga storyline. Like Kenshin Kaden, Death Note 13, etc. those are all just merely past-revealing flashbacks or focusing on the future of the series after it ends.

My point is, it was just a flashback of Kakashi's past. Not that much of the events of those chapters would be incorporated into the Naruto storyline. Obito would most likely not be mixed into the whole current plot of Naruto unless it involved KAKASHI. But this isn't about Kakashi, this is about Tobi.

Except Gaiden isn't a Spinoff. It's part of the main Naruto Manga. Why'd they skip it in the anime? Probably because they need filler later, and since it's canon, it's better than filler in every way.

Yeah and, listen to what Crimson said also. He had some good points that I wanted to get across to you too, such as your outlandish theories.

Yea I would listen to me too. I've been right about pretty much everything thus far. Why? I've been watching anime and reading manga since I was 4 feet tall. I know how shonen's work. They deliver some crazy plot twists, but never anything extremely supernatural or esoteric; not unless it wasn't associated with the orignal plot to begin with.

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