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Old 03-08-2013, 03:50 PM
Earthbullet Earthbullet is offline
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So? Are you implying that's a balanced effect? Please...

As if whoever plays Mifune won't have jutsus or other ninjas or whatever.
you seemed like you were agreeing with the errata that was originally posted like he didnt work like that already
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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you seemed like you were agreeing with the errata that was originally posted like he didnt work like that already
I see what you mean, but i just meant to say the card has bigger issues than that.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:19 PM
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If Mifune was an activated effect, like eoj pay 0 to get the effect. At least that way the effect goes on the chain and you have an opportunity to counter it.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:08 PM
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If Mifune was an activated effect, like eoj pay 0 to get the effect. At least that way the effect goes on the chain and you have an opportunity to counter it.
would be pointless.
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:24 PM
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would be pointless.
Sort of this. As an activated effect, he literally just says "Ok, on my mark, start playing the Jutsu. If you jump the gun, it doesn't matter because I have to chain to you."

The only thing he would do therefore is work as a responsive effect negation, or a breaker for multi chain Jutsu combos, like someone trying to Role Reversal into something good. If that were the case, he could be a Turn 4 or 5 Rare.

In fact, that's a perfectly fine card effect for a 4 or 5 drop Rare Ninja. Print it, Bandai.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:49 AM
OneWingedAngel OneWingedAngel is offline
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would be pointless.
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Sort of this. As an activated effect, he literally just says "Ok, on my mark, start playing the Jutsu. If you jump the gun, it doesn't matter because I have to chain to you."

The only thing he would do therefore is work as a responsive effect negation, or a breaker for multi chain Jutsu combos, like someone trying to Role Reversal into something good. If that were the case, he could be a Turn 4 or 5 Rare.

In fact, that's a perfectly fine card effect for a 4 or 5 drop Rare Ninja. Print it, Bandai.
It wouldn't be completely pointless because it wouldn't be automatic I just use my stuff without fear of reprisal. Either way, I'm sick of these effects where I can't do anything in response to them.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:44 AM
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It wouldn't be completely pointless because it wouldn't be automatic I just use my stuff without fear of reprisal. Either way, I'm sick of these effects where I can't do anything in response to them.
What we are trying to say is that the issue isn't the way it was written. It's supposed to work that way.


The problem is that effect is complete bonkers on that card. The effect shouldn't have been made.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:08 PM
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Maybe fix it to say "When this Ninja is put in play call an element, Ninjas that oppose this Ninja with that element have their effects negated and can not become the users of jutsu". Or something of that nature.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:13 PM
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Maybe fix it to say "When this Ninja is put in play call an element, Ninjas that oppose this Ninja with that element have their effects negated and can not become the users of jutsu". Or something of that nature.
Okay, why do people continue to misunderstand the purpose of an errata?

Erratas are to fix text and oversights upon cards while keeping their nature and overall effect intact.

There's no real way to errata Mifune to meet the above example and make him any less than broken. Trying to completely change his effect with an errata will only confuse players and overall set a horrid precedent.

Mifune is going to see a complete format after which he will be subject to the Rogue List if necessary. That's all that needs to be said at all on this subject.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:20 PM
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Okay, why do people continue to misunderstand the purpose of an errata?

Erratas are to fix text and oversights upon cards while keeping their nature and overall effect intact.

There's no real way to errata Mifune to meet the above example and make him any less than broken. Trying to completely change his effect with an errata will only confuse players and overall set a horrid precedent.

Mifune is going to see a complete format after which he will be subject to the Rogue List if necessary. That's all that needs to be said at all on this subject.
I do not misunderstand erratas. There's little reason to not nerf a card if they can balance it though. Bandai doesn't have a good concept of testing cards, hell I don't think they do. In 2 sets they've made 2 dumb cards that could've been avoided with testing and common sense. Jonin's Intervention was an obviously stupid card to make for turn 1. Turn 3, sure, but turn 1 was stupid and making it last more than one turn was even dumber. This card was not made using what we call common sense and because of the Rogue List Bandai can just make these cards and then go "derp let's Rogue List it because we have that in case this card is too strong". The Rogue List being there shouldn't be an excuse for them to make whatever card, let it have some stupid price and then Rogue it for the sake of the game when they could've used both common sense and testing to avoid this. Mifune may not be on the level of Jonin's Intervention but it was a stupid card to make overall.
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