N-289 Sasuke Uchiha Vs N-130 Baki

[Teysa4Life]

(N-130): Baki

When this Ninja is sent out to Attack, it gets the following effect during the turn: “Valid: At the end of the turn, if this Ninja is in your Village, your opponent discards 1 of their in-play Ninjas.”

with this errata it makes the opponent discard 1 of their in-play ninja, if they choose to discard N-289 while having lets say another copy of n-130 in their village will n-289 be discarded? according to some meijin it wouldnt be because it cannot be affected by ninja abilities, but the way N-130's ability is worded that looks more like a player action to me more than a effect being put on the chain targeting a ninja on the board.

what is the way to resolve this situation does the ninja get nuked or will the ability just die off?

[Mr Wheat]

N-130 is affecting the Ninja by having it discarded.

a player can choose a Ninja that is "unaffected by the opponent's effects" and that Ninja would not be discarded.

[Teysa4Life]

I mean the confusion here is the way the text is written up. It clearly is making the player take an action as opposed to N-365 where when he comes into play you choose the character, hence forth target.

Would you say there could be a much better way to type out the ability? as in “Valid: At the end of the turn, if this Ninja is in your Village, your opponent chooses 1 of their in-play Ninjas and discards it."

that to me would be a bit more clear as it specifically looks for a choice or target.

not trying to get all R&D with you guys or anything its just to me its very vague how it makes the opponent take an action but its actually a targeting effect.

[Mr Wheat]

Originally Posted by Teysa4Life

Would you say there could be a much better way to type out the ability? as in “Valid: At the end of the turn, if this Ninja is in your Village, your opponent chooses 1 of their in-play Ninjas and discards it."

first of all Ninja effects don't target.

second, this completely changes the effect and gives N-130 more power by making the entire effect Valid.

also, it makes it such that it works if its the Attacker and the Blocker.

a blanket ruling for having Ninja effects affecting other Ninja like this work better overall than creating a template and retexting existing cards to make Ninja effect targeting when there really has never been targeting on a Ninja effect.

yes, the design team went over this a lot before coming to this decision.

[Teysa4Life]

i was only refering to the Valid portion of the ability. but you still answered the question wether or not i had written the first part with it.

Since Ninja abilities dont target, i suppose it kind of makes the text up in the air a bit and becomes a Because Bandai implimented it that way.

Overall we can say that anytime a ninja makes a player do something with their ninja's ninjas that arent affected by said abilities will just "counter" the ability and make it fail.

its kool, i guess i can accept it as that. So in the game the only objects that designate targets are Jutsu and Missions?

[Mr Wheat]

Originally Posted by Teysa4Life

its kool, i guess i can accept it as that. So in the game the only objects that designate targets are Jutsu and Missions?

a card only has a target if the card notes a "Target" or states Target within the text somehow.