Mifune should get an errata

[Saitsuofleaves]

Originally Posted by /)_-

I do not misunderstand erratas. There's little reason to not nerf a card if they can balance it though. Bandai doesn't have a good concept of testing cards, hell I don't think they do. In 2 sets they've made 2 dumb cards that could've been avoided with testing and common sense. Jonin's Intervention was an obviously stupid card to make for turn 1. Turn 3, sure, but turn 1 was stupid and making it last more than one turn was even dumber. This card was not made using what we call common sense and because of the Rogue List Bandai can just make these cards and then go "derp let's Rogue List it because we have that in case this card is too strong". The Rogue List being there shouldn't be an excuse for them to make whatever card, let it have some stupid price and then Rogue it for the sake of the game when they could've used both common sense and testing to avoid this. Mifune may not be on the level of Jonin's Intervention but it was a stupid card to make overall.

I don't disagree that there are stupid cards to make and the Rogue List shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. Erratas are also not a get out of jail free card.

The only way to prevent broken cards is better testing methods. Realistically, there's nothing the playerbase can do unless Bandai wishes to let us do something about it. In the end we have no power over how they make their cards. Even the ones that get to create their cards after winning Gencon have no true power over how they make their cards because the cards become *******ized versions of them by the end.

Without an ability to gain access to card testing and application to make sure nothing too busted comes out there's really only one thing the playerbase can do. Abuse the broken cards that do come out to no end so that they leave within one format. Nothing more, nothing less.

[avatar7]

Originally Posted by /)_-

I do not misunderstand erratas. There's little reason to not nerf a card if they can balance it though. Bandai doesn't have a good concept of testing cards, hell I don't think they do. In 2 sets they've made 2 dumb cards that could've been avoided with testing and common sense. Jonin's Intervention was an obviously stupid card to make for turn 1. Turn 3, sure, but turn 1 was stupid and making it last more than one turn was even dumber. This card was not made using what we call common sense and because of the Rogue List Bandai can just make these cards and then go "derp let's Rogue List it because we have that in case this card is too strong". The Rogue List being there shouldn't be an excuse for them to make whatever card, let it have some stupid price and then Rogue it for the sake of the game when they could've used both common sense and testing to avoid this. Mifune may not be on the level of Jonin's Intervention but it was a stupid card to make overall.

+1

It's not true that Errata is not used to nerf cards. Example: Jirobo State 2 Entrance Cost. The "it works as intended" excuse is the same as saying "it's not broken", which is a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying "yes, we want to have an extremely strong and splashable ninja card which requires no skill on your part to use its effect". Heck, even Naraka isn't like that, at least it has Sacrifice (but it's something similar). Sorry but these are cards made for retards and they dumb down the quality of the game.

And also, to those claiming it doesn't matter which ninja gets such a strong effect - of course it does! The people who don't care about something like that are a minority compared to those who do. Do they honestly believe 100-200 people (which is what SJCs/Gencon Block format have of AT MOST) can be considered a majority if we look at the amount of people buying and playing the game? Go tell the thousand of fans who do that it doesn't matter that Madara and about 20 other ninjas gets a weaker effect than Mifune, even if they're much stronger than him in the story. It's one thing to try and maintain the balance in the CCG, but things like this completely ruins the immersion and lacks any balance whatsoever.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Originally Posted by avatar7

+1

It's not true that Errata is not used to nerf cards. Example: Jirobo State 2 Entrance Cost. The "it works as intended" excuse is the same as saying "it's not broken", which is a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying "yes, we want to have an extremely strong and splashable ninja card which requires no skill on your part to use its effect". Heck, even Naraka isn't like that, at least it has Sacrifice (but it's something similar). Sorry but these are cards made for retards and they dumb down the quality of the game.

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It working as intended doesn't mean it isn't broken. It's an extremely broken effect, there's no out to it. There's no "Well the wording is wrong they obviously meant it to do X". There's no obscurity or ambiguity to Mifune's effect. He's busted and it's pretty much what the creator wanted for him.

As for Jirobo State 2, changing the EC (which I actually do disagree with, unless it was printed wrong from the start) is completely different than changing the entire effect.

But let me ask this. As a player, which of the following would you prefer?

A) Mifune, if proven to be a true terror (and let's be honest, it will be) gets put to 0 on the next Rogue List. Problems obviously occur in the secondary market as a premium Super Rare only out for one format.

B) Mifune gets changed to a new version of his effect with different wording that's "more fair". He doesn't lose as much value on the secondary market. Tradeoff is confusion without having his wording on you at all times as his effect change isn't as simple as a one or two word fix and it likely won't be reprinted with the fix.

If you prefer B then do you do the same for every single card currently on the Rogue List?

[Tourney master]

lets be real, mifune's effect actually has some reasoning behind it

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by Tourney master

lets be real, mifune's effect actually has some reasoning behind it

No One is arguing that it isn't flavorful for him, just that it's troubling powerful. Though if you wanted real flavor, he should have negated the effect and locked Jutsu out of only 1 target Ninja when opposed as a triggered effect:

Valid: When this Ninja is opposed, you can negate the effect text target Ninja opposing this Ninja during this turn. In that case, that Ninja cannot use Jutsus during this turn.

Negate as a cost because he surprises them and doesn't let them use any pre battle effects, and then keeps them from justu handsigns.

[VSA]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

No One is arguing that it isn't flavorful for him, just that it's troubling powerful. Though if you wanted real flavor, he should have negated the effect and locked Jutsu out of only 1 target Ninja when opposed as a triggered effect:

Valid: When this Ninja is opposed, you can negate the effect text target Ninja opposing this Ninja during this turn. In that case, that Ninja cannot use Jutsus during this turn.

Negate as a cost because he surprises them and doesn't let them use any pre battle effects, and then keeps them from justu handsigns.

He should just 1v1 them.

Black ops style.

No jutsu, just power.

1v1 style.

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by VSA

He should just 1v1 them.

Black ops style.

No jutsu, just power.

1v1 style.

No Jutsu, Mifune Only, Final Destination?

[/)_-]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

No One is arguing that it isn't flavorful for him, just that it's troubling powerful. Though if you wanted real flavor, he should have negated the effect and locked Jutsu out of only 1 target Ninja when opposed as a triggered effect:

Valid: When this Ninja is opposed, you can negate the effect text target Ninja opposing this Ninja during this turn. In that case, that Ninja cannot use Jutsus during this turn.

Negate as a cost because he surprises them and doesn't let them use any pre battle effects, and then keeps them from justu handsigns.

I can see that working as well.

[OneWingedAngel]

Originally Posted by Saitsuofleaves

It working as intended doesn't mean it isn't broken. It's an extremely broken effect, there's no out to it. There's no "Well the wording is wrong they obviously meant it to do X". There's no obscurity or ambiguity to Mifune's effect. He's busted and it's pretty much what the creator wanted for him.

As for Jirobo State 2, changing the EC (which I actually do disagree with, unless it was printed wrong from the start) is completely different than changing the entire effect.

But let me ask this. As a player, which of the following would you prefer?

A) Mifune, if proven to be a true terror (and let's be honest, it will be) gets put to 0 on the next Rogue List. Problems obviously occur in the secondary market as a premium Super Rare only out for one format.

B) Mifune gets changed to a new version of his effect with different wording that's "more fair". He doesn't lose as much value on the secondary market. Tradeoff is confusion without having his wording on you at all times as his effect change isn't as simple as a one or two word fix and it likely won't be reprinted with the fix.

If you prefer B then do you do the same for every single card currently on the Rogue List?

I was never suggesting that they actually errata it. I was merely saying how effect like this should be for future reference. I've always said bans are better than errata when it comes to fixing broken problems. Erratas are meant to fix mistakes like typos or bad wording.

[shido]

Sure he is good and splash able but there are snipe jutsu's and powerful mission effects and overwhelming ninja attacks he isn't unbeatable just a little annoying