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[MJM]

Originally Posted by Sasuke of the desert

My **** is luxury Balmain ur **** is target(i dont have accent mark key but....)

Now hold up, I ain't tryna stunt man, but the Yeezy's jumped over the Jumpman.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by allanime01

Orochimaru comes off as the guy that foresaw everything. He knew Sasuke would crave the power to train with him, he knew that once he was "killed" Sasuke would hunt down Itachi, which he wanted so he could attempt to take his body again, then when Sasuke revived him from Anko's mark, he acted like he knew that all along (and admitted he was able to see everything occurring and felt like it "wasn't worth the effort" to partake)
So, to me, it appeared he pitied Kabuto. Kabuto himself was always trying to impress Orochi by being what he thought he wanted. Be it a spy, an aide, a medic, and if Orochi had wanted, a vessel (he even got that wish when he implanted part of orochimaru in him) and Kabuto knew what would impress him was power. So he went for sage mode (something that without the orochi implant he himself admitted wouldn't have been possible) and had thought himself the most powerful man in the world because of it. I'm sure even without Izanami Itachi'd have found a way to beat him, and Orochimaru knew that. He knew Kabuto was nothing but a failure just trying to impress him, and for that pitied him.

I'm not arguing that orochimaru doesn't pity kabuto. My point is it has nothing to do with sage mode. If he pities him, then he has always pitied him, it hasn't changed because of sage mode. The Kabuto-Orochimaru dynamic is the same as it ever was.

Since when is Kabuto a failure? He is one of the most powerful ninjas in the narutoverse. And up until his fight with itachi, his goals had been carried out. Kabuto has been a much bigger success than most of the leaf ninja, so it makes no sense to view him as a failure. Not one of orochimaru's other "henchmen" accomplished even half of what he did. Kabuto is the cream of the crop when it comes to orochimaru's group of friends.

As for the battle, there is absolutely no reason to believe that itachi would have a chance to win without izanami/izanagi. To blindly believe that is fanboyism. Kabuto had the battle under control the ENTIRE TIME, and he was untouchable as long as he avoided the genjutsu, which itachi himself was fully aware of. He knew it was his only chance to win.

[Shino'sDad]

Kabuto was at such a high advantage because Sasuke and Itachi weren't trying to kill him. Kabuto knew this from the beginning and was able to go all out on his opponents, while the Uchiha brothers had to regulate their attacks towards trying to capture and incapacitate rather than kill. They handicapped themselves due to the situation and overall goal they had in mind, compared to Kabuto who had no such restraints.

[Akatsukidude101]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

Kabuto was at such a high advantage because Sasuke and Itachi weren't trying to kill him. Kabuto knew this from the beginning and was able to go all out on his opponents, while the Uchiha brothers had to regulate their attacks towards trying to capture and incapacitate rather than kill. They handicapped themselves due to the situation and overall goal they had in mind, compared to Kabuto who had no such restraints.

On top of this, the arguement ive seen:"Without izanami, itachi couldnt have won." doesnt make sense.....how bout this:"Without sage mode, Kabuto couldnt have sensed his opponents at all times"

You cant take the parts that change things away and say that a character is weaker or stronger because they had x power or because of x situation.

if you ask me, those handicaps are what define somebody as better or worse.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by Akatsukidude101

On top of this, the arguement ive seen:"Without izanami, itachi couldnt have won." doesnt make sense.....how bout this:"Without sage mode, Kabuto couldnt have sensed his opponents at all times"

You cant take the parts that change things away and say that a character is weaker or stronger because they had x power or because of x situation.

if you ask me, those handicaps are what define somebody as better or worse.

You are missing the point. I'm not saying itachi could not have won, I'm saying that we have no reason to believe that he would have won without it, because up to that point, their attacks didn't even phase kabuto. Therefore, the likelihood of them winning without izanami/izanagi is drastically reduced.

The point is not "who is more powerful and why?". The point is, Kabuto is by no means weak or a "failure", as the person I was speaking to suggested. That is the only reason I even brought it up. Their attitude was "Kabuto was beaten, therefore, kabuto is pathetic in the eyes of orochimaru", which doesn't make sense at all.

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

Kabuto was at such a high advantage because Sasuke and Itachi weren't trying to kill him. Kabuto knew this from the beginning and was able to go all out on his opponents, while the Uchiha brothers had to regulate their attacks towards trying to capture and incapacitate rather than kill. They handicapped themselves due to the situation and overall goal they had in mind, compared to Kabuto who had no such restraints.

irrelevant. I didn't say that kabuto was more powerful than the two of them, I said he would not be beaten by them if not for izanami. Their attacks had absolutely no effect on him up to that point. They knew his weakness and exploited it. My point is simply that that does not make Kabuto "weak" or "a failure". That simply makes him unlucky, as without that advantage, the evidence of who would win is stacked in his favor, which is an impressive feat.

[avatar7]

I think the "failure" part of Kabuto's life is always pretending what he isn't, trying to be someone who he is not. The last time he was truly himself was before Danzo used him and Orochimaru "saved" him. He may not be a failure as a ninja, but he is a failure as a person.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by avatar7

I think the "failure" part of Kabuto's life is always pretending what he isn't, trying to be someone who he is not. The last time he was truly himself was before Danzo used him and Orochimaru "saved" him. He may not be a failure as a ninja, but he is a failure as a person.

which, again, I am not disagreeing with.