Scoop Phase

[killerkimimaro]

Originally Posted by world of pein

Probably not the majority of competitive players, but I'm pretty sure that A LOT of people play unlimited.

see the issue is, the only opinions that matter are from competitive Block players...its a fact that 99% of unlimited players think that turn 6+ combos are good...its a fact that 99% of unlimited players play only fun decks.
this post is mostly meant for avatar7 who seems to think unlimited players are allowed to have an opinion

[Shodaime]

I have yet to see a competitive CCG that has the majority of its players not playing its advanced format.

That was a really dumb post.

People who play for fun don't have valid opinions about the structure of the game. People who whine about card art are upset fanboys, and once again do not have a valid opinion.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

Originally Posted by Shodaime

I have yet to see a competitive CCG that has the majority of its players not playing its advanced format.

That was a really dumb post.

People who play for fun don't have valid opinions about the structure of the game. People who whine about card art are upset fanboys, and once again do not have a valid opinion.

Not sure I agree with that.

Anyway, I'd like to see unlimited the major format or at least competitive to some degree. It has a lot of potential to add diversity and interest to competitive play as well as a little bit of fun and creativity. Block can get pretty stale in the "pro-scene".

[avatar7]

Originally Posted by killerkimimaro

this post is mostly meant for avatar7 who seems to think unlimited players are allowed to have an opinion

Anyone who buys a Bandai's game and plays it actively is allowed to have an opinion on it. Any other way of thinking is flawed. The game does not spin around the narrow block format niche and the wannabe-pros who are about 100 or so in total. Please, prove me how narrow-minded you are again with your next post.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by avatar7

Your opinion is a minority, I wonder when you're going to realize that, if ever. The opinion of block format competitive players are a minority as well, because you represent a minority out of all people that buy, play and collect Naruto CCG worldwide. It's not called a Collectible Card Game for nothing! The way you and Tylar wants things to go means limiting the game to a minority and preventing it from expanding to a wider audience, despite the fact it already has such a big legacy which has driven it so far. I guess it's pointless to argue with narrow-mindedness though...

If it's such a minority, why do so many more usually agree with whatever sider I'm on in any of our debates?
unlimited is the minority, YOU'RE just to blind (and dumb) to see that. It's why there's only 1 event of it a year. It's why it's so openly mocked on here. It's why they came up with block in the first place! Get over it, Block player = more relevant opinion.

Originally Posted by world of pein

Probably not the majority of competitive players, but I'm pretty sure that A LOT of people play unlimited.

Originally Posted by avatar7

Anyone who buys a Bandai's game and plays it actively is allowed to have an opinion on it. Any other way of thinking is flawed. The game does not spin around the narrow block format niche and the wannabe-pros who are about 100 or so in total. Please, prove me how narrow-minded you are again with your next post.

Another thing, see if you play a game yes, you have an opinion on it. You're an "active" member. But how active depends on what you do. For example if you just collect pretty cards that are shiny, you're about as active to this game as sitting on the couch. The least spending and thus the least relevant.
Then there is "casual" and unlimited players. You guys are like jogging a couple blocks every day. You purchase and keep up, but only at locals or your own homes. Not as much need to invest.
then you have block players that don't usually go past locals. they are like the people that run a mile every week (or twice a week) anytime they want to run in a marathon with the big boys, they can hop in and get a feel.
And lastly, competitive block players. They go to all the tournies, they drop hundreds on boxes (or a case), and they are always pushing themselves to get better and win the big ones. they are like the marathon runners. The winners are spotlighted in the community, there's potential for prizes, and it raises the most money for the company (and associates like host stores and Gencon)

I hope this clears things up, because frankly I can not explain it any clearer TL;DR the more active in things like tournies (AKA competitve scene) the more relevant your opinion is on this game, cards, and metas. No matter what, that's just logic.

[world of pein]

Originally Posted by allanime01

If it's such a minority, why do so many more usually agree with whatever sider I'm on in any of our debates?
unlimited is the minority, YOU'RE just to blind (and dumb) to see that. It's why there's only 1 event of it a year. It's why it's so openly mocked on here. It's why they came up with block in the first place! Get over it, Block player = more relevant opinion.




Another thing, see if you play a game yes, you have an opinion on it. You're an "active" member. But how active depends on what you do. For example if you just collect pretty cards that are shiny, you're about as active to this game as sitting on the couch. The least spending and thus the least relevant.
Then there is "casual" and unlimited players. You guys are like jogging a couple blocks every day. You purchase and keep up, but only at locals or your own homes. Not as much need to invest.
then you have block players that don't usually go past locals. they are like the people that run a mile every week (or twice a week) anytime they want to run in a marathon with the big boys, they can hop in and get a feel.
And lastly, competitive block players. They go to all the tournies, they drop hundreds on boxes (or a case), and they are always pushing themselves to get better and win the big ones. they are like the marathon runners. The winners are spotlighted in the community, there's potential for prizes, and it raises the most money for the company (and associates like host stores and Gencon)

I hope this clears things up, because frankly I can not explain it any clearer TL;DR the more active in things like tournies (AKA competitve scene) the more relevant your opinion is on this game, cards, and metas. No matter what, that's just logic.

I completely agree with this.

[OC_Powers]

Originally Posted by allanime01

then you have block players that don't usually go past locals. they are like the people that run a mile every week (or twice a week) anytime they want to run in a marathon with the big boys, they can hop in and get a feel.
And lastly, competitive block players. They go to all the tournies, they drop hundreds on boxes (or a case), and they are always pushing themselves to get better and win the big ones. they are like the marathon runners. The winners are spotlighted in the community, there's potential for prizes, and it raises the most money for the company (and associates like host stores and Gencon)
TL;DR the more active in things like tournies (AKA competitve scene) the more relevant your opinion is on this game, cards, and metas. No matter what, that's just logic.

This^. I don't exactly aspire to be the next [insert famous marathon runner here]. Was gonna say Bolt but obv he dashes, that's not a marathon.

Regardless, those who attend the most high level tournies, and more importantly, do well at high level tournies have the most valid opinion. That being said, those who really have a say in it are just anyone who spends money on the game. Hell, people who buy packs and don't even play have a say at the very least on the art design on the cards. So everyone has a right to their opinion and to make it heard, because Bandai shouldn't cater to specifically block or unlimited or collectors. They should cater to whatever makes them the most money. (Which is probably block players lol. But I cant say for certain, as was mentioned the elite group is barely 100+. Even if they all drop $200 a set, that might not add up to the same amount as $10 from every single casual player, unlimited player, and collector combined.)

tldr; block is the most valid opinion on cards, design, meta etc, especially from people with wins, but at the end of the day money talks. I wont argue for either side until I see some figures from Bandai.

[kyuubi rasengan]

Originally Posted by OC_Powers

This^. I don't exactly aspire to be the next [insert famous marathon runner here]. Was gonna say Bolt but obv he dashes, that's not a marathon.

Regardless, those who attend the most high level tournies, and more importantly, do well at high level tournies have the most valid opinion. That being said, those who really have a say in it are just anyone who spends money on the game. Hell, people who buy packs and don't even play have a say at the very least on the art design on the cards. So everyone has a right to their opinion and to make it heard, because Bandai shouldn't cater to specifically block or unlimited or collectors. They should cater to whatever makes them the most money. (Which is probably block players lol. But I cant say for certain, as was mentioned the elite group is barely 100+. Even if they all drop $200 a set, that might not add up to the same amount as $10 from every single casual player, unlimited player, and collector combined.)

tldr; block is the most valid opinion on cards, design, meta etc, especially from people with wins, but at the end of the day money talks. I wont argue for either side until I see some figures from Bandai.

You guys are all retarded

[killerkimimaro]

Originally Posted by kyuubi rasengan

You guys are all retarded

u feel that unlimited players have valid opinions? because they do not.....

[kyuubi rasengan]

Originally Posted by killerkimimaro

u feel that unlimited players have valid opinions? because they do not.....

No I feel world of pein and oc powers are retarded. Unlimited only players aren't real people