My suggestions for new restricted list.

[killerkimimaro]

Originally Posted by zbkillaz

I said the have the same properties. If people's rebuttal is hidan hasn't won or hidan still is fine even after all of his free benefits excuse me 1 BR benefits then that's fine I can respect that. I think it just means we have a different view of exactly how much one card should be able to do which is fine.

tree summoning din't make my list because it requires set up, and it's something that I've personally haven't lost to in a long time, so long as there's no ino there to support the deck and give it massive plus one I don't think revitalize players will have such an easy time getting their end game shenanigans.

Honestly the only reason Im defending keeping hidan at 3 is because I have never had a problem with the card...thats really my only defense, however regarding ino/tree summoning, limiting ino to 1 wouldnt hurt the deck to bad...yeah it makes it a lot harder for them to get cards to their hand but they still have naruto and eagle to the job just as well if not better. I guess dropping tree would just kill the deck, but to be fair the deck is op, it just wins on turn 6.

[rockleeac]

i don't think tree summoning needs to get touched..you can still chain to tree summoning and you can still rush..probably the deck that'll hurt revitalize will be Jonin's Intervention summoning Kakashi Genjutsu so revitalize can't block and get rushed..it would suck to kill a whole deck like how the inks were killed off..no one would play that type anymore..

if anything, tree could be limited to 2 but eh..touch tetragram first before tree..

as for Hidan..I have mixed feelings..its either you ban him or not because mostly people play him as a 1 of anyways..he does give you field advantage and given the right deck you can deidara him or reinforce for extra BR's..but not every deck revolves around that..so, iono lol but i definitely get what you're saying Saul

[killerkimimaro]

Originally Posted by rockleeac

i don't think tree summoning needs to get touched..you can still chain to tree summoning and you can still rush..probably the deck that'll hurt revitalize will be Jonin's Intervention summoning Kakashi Genjutsu so revitalize can't block and get rushed..it would suck to kill a whole deck like how the inks were killed off..no one would play that type anymore..

if anything, tree could be limited to 2 but eh..touch tetragram first before tree..

as for Hidan..I have mixed feelings..its either you ban him or not because mostly people play him as a 1 of anyways..he does give you field advantage and given the right deck you can deidara him or reinforce for extra BR's..but not every deck revolves around that..so, iono lol but i definitely get what you're saying Saul

the thing about chaining to tree is that u need to have at least 4 jutsus in hand.....they have 3 trees probably all in hand +mind transfers.....however i do agree the decks greatest flaw is that it can be rushed.

[MJM]

Shino'sDad and I will reserve our opinions on this until next week.

[skills of an ocular kind]

In my opinion we don't even need to be having this discussion. It's not like there's one deck out right now that flat out can't be beat. There are numerous top tier decks that have very viable counters. There's also no single card out that flat out wins games and can't be stoped, and there's no unstoppable combos, just really good ones.

You could Say Say Say what you want about certain cards that aren't problems now will be when set 27 becames legal, but there are counters for those to.(sabiru, fat head temari, tofu, kiba...just to name a few)

[ICEmanJC]

When set 27 comes out... Jonin's Intervention needs to be limited, whether that be one card or two

[zbkillaz]

Originally Posted by Earthbullet

yes because asuma, yamato, naruto, and tenten dont exist right?

ino is the only of of those cards that guarantee draw, I think it's fair for the deck to speed to it's purpose (10 cards in deck) but when you get to speed to your purpose AND have guarantee'd draw it's when it becomes too good IMO.

My main issue with Ino like I said earlier is that it start's too early.

[OneWingedAngel]

I have to agree with everyone who says the tree jutsu to has to go. The setup it requires is really nothing. Everything is automatic. Shika, Ino, Tenten, Asuma, and Yamato. It's just a matter of owning those cards. Self milling yourself with no fear of deck out isn't really hard to do. And there's so many ways to lock your opponent down with, literally, no possible out. The deck draws three cards a turn, mills at 3-9 cards a turn, and can never deck out. How is this good for the game? I say put it to one, because I think most players can handle one of them. Two or three, forget it.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by zbkillaz

ino is the only of of those cards that guarantee draw, I think it's fair for the deck to speed to it's purpose (10 cards in deck) but when you get to speed to your purpose AND have guarantee'd draw it's when it becomes too good IMO.

My main issue with Ino like I said earlier is that it start's too early.

That's easy. fetches the tree summoning for me. I can chump him off to get it, or i'll sac him with Deidara for it. Either way, i'll have the jutsus by turn 5 so long as I get Tobi by Turn 3. Not to hard when one of the greatest tutors is shika's decision.

Anywho, more on topic, I personally feel if a card has not presented itself as a problem card, regardless of what it does, then it doesn't deserve rogueing. Especially not a banning. I mean Tetra and tree summoning are much more likely as cards to be banned. Tetra is about to be super abused with JI decks. too for that matter.
But i've not really seen any cards getting complaints or being as snapped as obvious things like leech and 4th hokage, so personally I feel the list should remain unchanged. At least until we see some set 27 hypothesis in tests to see if maybe some of them needs a limiting.

[skills of an ocular kind]

Originally Posted by OneWingedAngel

I have to agree with everyone who says the tree jutsu to has to go. The setup it requires is really nothing. Everything is automatic. Shika, Ino, Tenten, Asuma, and Yamato. It's just a matter of owning those cards. Self milling yourself with no fear of deck out isn't really hard to do. And there's so many ways to lock your opponent down with, literally, no possible out. The deck draws three cards a turn, mills at 3-9 cards a turn, and can never deck out. How is this good for the game? I say put it to one, because I think most players can handle one of them. Two or three, forget it.

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