Haku Ruling?

[Sai'ix Renkai]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

But itsnot a reinforcement. Its a token. Nevertheless this is why I ask lm to explain every ruling.

You always have to meet hand cost for reinforcements though, unless specifically said otherwise. And Haku puts an EXACT copy of it in play, so it makes sense.

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Sai'ix Renkai

You always have to meet hand cost for reinforcements though, unless specifically said otherwise. And Haku puts an EXACT copy of it in play, so it makes sense.

Except ur putting into play the copy. Not playing the card where the restrictions lie. (Looks like I have to resurrect a q+a thread. :/

[maseky]

This haku just went from broken to go to my folder collection

[Earthbullet]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

Except ur putting into play the copy. Not playing the card where the restrictions lie. (Looks like I have to resurrect a q+a thread. :/

but a squad/reinforcement is always put in play and always has to meet ec and hc its why you cant drop 9 tails on turn 1 with masked man.

[killerkimimaro]

I don't understand how did u plan on getting jirobo out early in the first place?

[MJM]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

But itsnot a reinforcement. Its a token. Nevertheless this is why I ask lm to explain every ruling.

It is not a token; there are no tokens in the Naruto CCG. We have coins that represent Ninja, copies of certain cards (which are considered to be that Ninja, not a token), and Jutsu/Mission cards that can act as Ninja. You ask them to explain every ruling because you do not understand basic concepts.

Originally Posted by spiritomb

Except ur putting into play the copy. Not playing the card where the restrictions lie. (Looks like I have to resurrect a q+a thread. :/

Here you call it a copy. No wonder you don't understand basic concepts.

Guys, bottom line is, if you want to place a copy of Jirobo (State 2) with Haku, that's fine, you still need to fulfill the Sacrifice Cost. This means you'll have to Sacrifice the original State 2 to play the copy that goes away.

Personally I feel like it should work like the following.

Reinforcements can only be played from the Reinforcement Deck by an effect or meeting the Sacrifice Requirement. Your Turn Marker must also be equal to or higher than its Entrance Cost and a Hand Cost must be payed.

Since this Reinforcement isn't being put in play from the Reinforcement Deck, how it usually is put in play, you do not have to meet the Entrance Cost or Hand Cost. This is similar to regular Ninja who have to meet Entrance Cost and Hand Cost when being played regularly, but do not when being put in play through effects (unless otherwise stated, I.E. Hidan [Immortal Soul]).

However, from what Laughing Man says, it seems as if you must pay a Hand Cost and meet the Entrance Cost no matter what. But like I said before, I would never want to use Haku on a non-Put in Play effect Ninja, especially a Reinforcement with Sacrifice...

[spiritomb]

Originally Posted by Earthbullet

but a squad/reinforcement is always put in play and always has to meet ec and hc its why you cant drop 9 tails on turn 1 with masked man.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Ur not putting on play nor playing the reinforcement. U r putting in play a copy of the reinforcement..

Mjm, that coin is symbolizing a token.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

Did you not read the post you quoted? Ur not putting on play nor playing the reinforcement. U r putting in play a copy of the reinforcement..

Mjm, that coin is symbolizing a token.

You're not doing well to support your argument. You called it a copy, but then called it a token, now you're calling it a coin that symbolizes a token. Let me set this straight, MtG and YGO have tokens, Naruto does not.

Never once has anything been referred to as a token. Like I said before, we have coins that represent Ninja, copies of Ninja (which are considered Ninjas, not copies, tokens, coins, etc.), and Jutsu/Mission that act as Ninja.

Haku does not put in play a coin, nor does it put in play a coin. It puts in play a copy of that Ninja, this means, despite whatever material you use to portray the copy of that Ninja, it is still considered a Ninja, and nothing else.

[spiritomb]

Ur not putting into play the reinforcement mjm. U put into play a copy token etc. of the reinforcement which realistically u would symbolize as a token. Yes that token will still b treated as a ninja.
I do believe sacrifice would still need to b met though.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by spiritomb

Ur not putting into play the reinforcement mjm. U put into play a copy token etc. of the reinforcement which realistically u would symbolize as a token.
I do believe sacrifice would still need to b met though.

I don't understand why you don't understand this; you are not playing a token, there are NO tokens in the Naruto CCG. No matter what you use to symbolize it as, it is not considered a token. You are putting into play a copy of the Ninja, when it is play, it is considered a Ninja, not a coin, not a copy, not a token, just a Ninja.

And yes, it was made quite clear Sacrifice needed to be payed whenever a Ninja was being put in play, even if it was removed from game and moved back to the Village through effects like Idle Comrades.