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[MJM]

Originally Posted by SharinganHeir

Nope. Madara FTW

No, Madara is an over hyped character that is one of the main antagonists of this arc. Orochimaru's been brought back like what, 3 times now? Each time he was brought back or renewed someone died, I.E. 3rd Hokage, Itachi, etc.

[Akatsukidude101]

Originally Posted by MJM

No, Madara is an over hyped character that is one of the main antagonists of this arc. Orochimaru's been brought back like what, 3 times now? Each time he was brought back or renewed someone died, I.E. 3rd Hokage, Itachi, etc.

THIS^^^^

Every time snakey comes back, we lose bamf ppl *sadface*

[SharinganHeir]

Originally Posted by MJM

No, Madara is an over hyped character that is one of the main antagonists of this arc. Orochimaru's been brought back like what, 3 times now? Each time he was brought back or renewed someone died, I.E. 3rd Hokage, Itachi, etc.

Originally Posted by Akatsukidude101

THIS^^^^

Every time snakey comes back, we lose bamf ppl *sadface*

Lol I'm sorry but Itachi pawned Orochimaru. His death had nothing to do with Orochimaru. He had it all planned out.

Besides Sarutobi, the 4th kazekage (not an important) and the unimportant people he has taken bodies from, Orochimaru hasn't done jack. His entire role in shippuden has been training Sasuke, fighting Naruto (resulting in running away), getting sick, getting taken over by Sasuke, getting pawned by Itachi, and fusing with Kabuto. Kabuto is definitely more impressive in Shippuden than Orochimaru.

[Sasuke of the desert]

Like I said earlier wasnt Madara Mizukage at this time(or controlling the Mizukage)? So isnt him ordering a hit on Kakashi and Rin more realistic than Elshers obsession with Orochimaru?

[MJM]

Originally Posted by SharinganHeir

Lol I'm sorry but Itachi pawned Orochimaru. His death had nothing to do with Orochimaru. He had it all planned out.

Besides Sarutobi, the 4th kazekage (not an important) and the unimportant people he has taken bodies from, Orochimaru hasn't done jack. His entire role in shippuden has been training Sasuke, fighting Naruto (resulting in running away), getting sick, getting taken over by Sasuke, getting pawned by Itachi, and fusing with Kabuto. Kabuto is definitely more impressive in Shippuden than Orochimaru.

Never did I say Orochimaru killed the people that died. Reading is tech. Even in Unlimited.

There is no point in bringing back Orochimaru 2 or 3 times if he wasn't extremely relevant. Orochimaru knows a lot more about Ninjutsu than anyone else.

[SharinganHeir]

Originally Posted by MJM

Never did I say Orochimaru killed the people that died. Reading is tech. Even in Unlimited.

If you weren't implying that those people died because of Orochimaru, there was absolutely no point in saying that people died every time he came back. If he didn't kill them, then it's purely coincidental and doesn't make Orochimaru any more or less important.

Originally Posted by MJM

There is no point in bringing back Orochimaru 2 or 3 times if he wasn't extremely relevant.

Lot's of characters have come back and aren't considered extremely relevant. Gaara, everyone that Pain revived after the invasion, and everyone that Kabuto reanimated aren't all be considered extremely relevant.

And I could argue that Orochimaru has really only come back one time (just recently). When Sasuke absorbed him, he was never really gone. He was inside Sasuke being suppressed by Sasuke's chakra and always had the potential to break out. Once Sasuke's chakra ran out, Orochimaru was able to take control. Also, Kabuto's DNA fusion trick was not a return of Orochimaru. Kabuto now has some of Orochimaru's characteristics and abilities (and more), but Orochimaru isn't there inside him.

Originally Posted by MJM

Orochimaru knows a lot more about Ninjutsu than anyone else.

So what? That doesn't make him important. That just gives him the potential to not use the same techniques over and over, which he still does.

I also noticed that you had no argument against the rest of my post. Like I said, Orochimaru has done jack in Shippuden.

[Akatsukidude101]

Originally Posted by SharinganHeir

If you weren't implying that those people died because of Orochimaru, there was absolutely no point in saying that people died every time he came back. If he didn't kill them, then it's purely coincidental and doesn't make Orochimaru any more or less important.


Lot's of characters have come back and aren't considered extremely relevant. Gaara, everyone that Pain revived after the invasion, and everyone that Kabuto reanimated aren't all be considered extremely relevant.

And I could argue that Orochimaru has really only come back one time (just recently). When Sasuke absorbed him, he was never really gone. He was inside Sasuke being suppressed by Sasuke's chakra and always had the potential to break out. Once Sasuke's chakra ran out, Orochimaru was able to take control. Also, Kabuto's DNA fusion trick was not a return of Orochimaru. Kabuto now has some of Orochimaru's characteristics and abilities (and more), but Orochimaru isn't there inside him.


So what? That doesn't make him important. That just gives him the potential to not use the same techniques over and over, which he still does.

I also noticed that you had no argument against the rest of my post. Like I said, Orochimaru has done jack in Shippuden.

Lol what does oro need to do in shippuden, he single handedly set up many of the things happening in shippuden before hand I mean here's just a few of his influences

Helped make danzo strong
Pushed kabuto to madness
Made sasuke strong
Killed the third
Made yamato
Killed gaaras dad, opening kazekage slot

Lol idk how much more that guy needs to do he's already affected/influenced shippuden enough, granted he hasn't done much in it, but he's done a ton for it. On top of that he is back and about to do something major in the series it would seem.


Seeing as he killed the 3rd and he wouldn't have been able to be revived until itachi was gone, would be almost like killing itachi( lol not really but in a way)

[Earthbullet]

Originally Posted by Akatsukidude101

Lol what does oro need to do in shippuden, he single handedly set up many of the things happening in shippuden before hand I mean here's just a few of his influences

Helped make danzo strong
Pushed kabuto to madness
Made sasuke strong
Killed the third
Made yamato
Killed gaaras dad, opening kazekage slot

Lol idk how much more that guy needs to do he's already affected/influenced shippuden enough, granted he hasn't done much in it, but he's done a ton for it. On top of that he is back and about to do something major in the series it would seem.


Seeing as he killed the 3rd and he wouldn't have been able to be revived until itachi was gone, would be almost like killing itachi( lol not really but in a way)

caused naruto to become a genin, or atleast caused the event that caused it

[MJM]

Originally Posted by SharinganHeir

If you weren't implying that those people died because of Orochimaru, there was absolutely no point in saying that people died every time he came back. If he didn't kill them, then it's purely coincidental and doesn't make Orochimaru any more or less important.


Lot's of characters have come back and aren't considered extremely relevant. Gaara, everyone that Pain revived after the invasion, and everyone that Kabuto reanimated aren't all be considered extremely relevant.

And I could argue that Orochimaru has really only come back one time (just recently). When Sasuke absorbed him, he was never really gone. He was inside Sasuke being suppressed by Sasuke's chakra and always had the potential to break out. Once Sasuke's chakra ran out, Orochimaru was able to take control. Also, Kabuto's DNA fusion trick was not a return of Orochimaru. Kabuto now has some of Orochimaru's characteristics and abilities (and more), but Orochimaru isn't there inside him.


So what? That doesn't make him important. That just gives him the potential to not use the same techniques over and over, which he still does.

I also noticed that you had no argument against the rest of my post. Like I said, Orochimaru has done jack in Shippuden.

It's all foreshadowing/metaphorical. If you recall, The 3rd told Orochimaru the White Snake was a sign of rebirth. Do you really think they're just bringing him back for the sake of him being there?

Gaara was revived once. Everyone Pain revived were revived once. Edo Tensei is reanimation not revival.

He still appeared in his bodily form without the use of Edo Tensei, did he not? I never considered KabutOro as Orochimaru's being however it is Orochimaru's genetic material.

I didn't know you posting about events that happened needed an argument.

Originally Posted by Akatsukidude101

Lol what does oro need to do in shippuden, he single handedly set up many of the things happening in shippuden before hand I mean here's just a few of his influences

Helped make danzo strong
Pushed kabuto to madness
Made sasuke strong
Killed the third
Made yamato
Killed gaaras dad, opening kazekage slot

Lol idk how much more that guy needs to do he's already affected/influenced shippuden enough, granted he hasn't done much in it, but he's done a ton for it. On top of that he is back and about to do something major in the series it would seem.


Seeing as he killed the 3rd and he wouldn't have been able to be revived until itachi was gone, would be almost like killing itachi( lol not really but in a way)

This guy seems to know.