Naruto 602

[Chidori]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

he never said who he gave them to. There has been a theory floating around that Madara gave his eyes to Izuna, and not the other way around. could be that. who knows. point is, madara didn't say. plus, tobi is the one who said he gave negato the eyes iirc.
It makes sense for Madara to have given Nagato the rinnegan:
1. Madara actually had the rinnegan, Tobito did not.
2. Nagato is older than Obito, so how could he have given the rinnegan without time travel?

madara never said 'maybe' he said 'no'.
Depends where you read it, in mine he said 'not really'.

responses in bold

[Shino'sDad]

The most well credited source has Madara saying "...If you would like..." in response to Obito's 'elderly care' question.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

The most well credited source has Madara saying "...If you would like..." in response to Obito's 'elderly care' question.

thats what my site said. I was confused with the Maybe and No, then I remembered different sites translate differently.

[Shino'sDad]

An interesting little bit of reading.

I'm actually surprised I didn't remember a lot of this. Especially the "Oil and Water" reference.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

An interesting little bit of reading.

I'm actually surprised I didn't remember a lot of this. Especially the "Oil and Water" reference.

You know what. I accept it
I'm still upset about the timeline (IE Anko in the chunins and the forth's head on the flashback rocks) but ignoring that, I guess the only issue was it was so obvious. I've always hated things that were too obvious in anime. When Aizen turned out to be the baddie (along with Gin and Kaname) instead of being murdered, I was like *Triple Eeks + Triple Big Grins*
Tobi being Obito was just so obvious I refused to accept it, but this guys efforts showed that Kishi wasn't really a troll, he was just trying not to spoil the biggest secret the plot had. Can't blame him. For example recently one of the most "hidden" villains in an anime I watched needless, was made really obvious from the opening montage. Ruined it for me.

TL;DR - Link may be long, but worht the read. Also Shino'sDad#1

[Shino'sDad]

Originally Posted by allanime01

You know what. I accept it
I'm still upset about the timeline (IE Anko in the chunins and the forth's head on the flashback rocks) but ignoring that, I guess the only issue was it was so obvious. I've always hated things that were too obvious in anime. When Aizen turned out to be the baddie (along with Gin and Kaname) instead of being murdered, I was like *Triple Eeks + Triple Big Grins*
Tobi being Obito was just so obvious I refused to accept it, but this guys efforts showed that Kishi wasn't really a troll, he was just trying not to spoil the biggest secret the plot had. Can't blame him. For example recently one of the most "hidden" villains in an anime I watched needless, was made really obvious from the opening montage. Ruined it for me.

TL;DR - Link may be long, but worht the read. Also Shino'sDad#1

As it was explained in the link, the problem with people thinking Tobi was Obito, even from the start, was that people were making the assumption based on very simple things. If your main reasoning is that the names are Similar and he has the same hair, that is a poor argument. So people started to discredit anyone who said he could be Obito, because the majority of those people were not supplying any credible evidence. It became anathema to actually think Tobi could be Obito, so everyone started to decide that would be the worst thing ever if it were true. When in reality, it makes the most sense, given all the evidence if you look in further, past the name, the hair, and the eye hole.

[hiei]

IDK if anyone has mentioned it, but the tree/flower that Madara was connected to is the Gedo Mazo statue that was just summoned to the battlefield. This has some interesting implications including that Zetsu is a creation due to the Gedo Mazo.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

As it was explained in the link, the problem with people thinking Tobi was Obito, even from the start, was that people were making the assumption based on very simple things. If your main reasoning is that the names are Similar and he has the same hair, that is a poor argument. So people started to discredit anyone who said he could be Obito, because the majority of those people were not supplying any credible evidence. It became anathema to actually think Tobi could be Obito, so everyone started to decide that would be the worst thing ever if it were true. When in reality, it makes the most sense, given all the evidence if you look in further, past the name, the hair, and the eye hole.

except that the timeline is still whack and there is no logical reason for obito to start a war over rin's death. Neither of those have been, nor likely will be, explained logically. Note: *the article was very interesting, and i have to give kishi credit for the subtle hints.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

As it was explained in the link, the problem with people thinking Tobi was Obito, even from the start, was that people were making the assumption based on very simple things. If your main reasoning is that the names are Similar and he has the same hair, that is a poor argument. So people started to discredit anyone who said he could be Obito, because the majority of those people were not supplying any credible evidence. It became anathema to actually think Tobi could be Obito, so everyone started to decide that would be the worst thing ever if it were true. When in reality, it makes the most sense, given all the evidence if you look in further, past the name, the hair, and the eye hole.

exactly. All of the "obvious" reasons made it so stupid, that any real reasons just sounded like crazed theory spouting. I'm guilty of this, i'll admit, when a friend of mine tried saying Kamui and Tobi's dimension jutsu looked similar, I just chalked it to coincidence and didnt try to connect it.
Kishimoto did his job decently (still irked on the timeline yes) the fanbase just sort of ruined this big moment,

Originally Posted by Nejifan

except that the timeline is still whack and there is no logical reason for obito to start a war over rin's death. Neither of those have been, nor likely will be, explained logically. Note: *the article was very interesting, and i have to give kishi credit for the subtle hints.

the timeline sucks, we all know that, it's his biggest flaw. However it's not so much the death of Rin, thats just Obito spouting random BS like claiming to be Madara and such. He is basically just like Nagato and such. Tired of war and death and regret and all that so he wants a peaceful world. Nagato thought of "domination", Jiraiya and Naruto figure "peace and sacrifice" and Obito will just create his own world where everyone is under his control, and thus will never fight again.
It's explaining all this with chapters 601+ IE the Obito being saved by Madara flashbacks.

[ACTION *******]

Originally Posted by Shino'sDad

As it was explained in the link, the problem with people thinking Tobi was Obito, even from the start, was that people were making the assumption based on very simple things. If your main reasoning is that the names are Similar and he has the same hair, that is a poor argument. So people started to discredit anyone who said he could be Obito, because the majority of those people were not supplying any credible evidence. It became anathema to actually think Tobi could be Obito, so everyone started to decide that would be the worst thing ever if it were true. When in reality, it makes the most sense, given all the evidence if you look in further, past the name, the hair, and the eye hole.

sorry but the hair is not that poor of an argument. that really does mean something in anime/manga. a good chunk of the time at least