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[TheLastHokage]

Originally Posted by allanime01

He doesn't, however it probably is implied his family wouldn't look for him when Kakashi reports his death to the village. Literally everyone thought he was dead
And i'm sorry, but like it was said above, I hate it being Obito because that is basically him saying "Timeline? F*yay*K TIMELINES! Seriously, i'm just sitting here seething as I wait to see how he tries and makes Madara + Obito connect.
Then I wanna know how Obito gave Nagato Rinnegan (IE was alive when the sannin was like early twenties) Oh, and how after being smashed like a boulder in roughly 1 year he now has mastered mangekyou to the point he can kamui dimmensions in his fight with the forth
Oh yeah, and HOW HALF OF A 13 YEAR OLD BOY SOMEHOW GOT UNBURIED, RESCUED, SUPERCHARGED, AND THEN DECIDES TO JUST TAKE OVER THE WORLD! BY STARTING THE VERY WAR THAT HE HIMSELF HATED!
Tobi being Obito stabs so many holes in the plot, it may as well be Swiss Cheese.

Maybe...
Timeline: Maybe Madara was Tobi first, and then, on his dead bed, gave the mask to his son (Obito), and the name Tobi, that symbolizes the desire to complete his plans.
Half 13 year old boy stuff: Madara found him and implanted Hashirama cells on him, or just reconstructed his body, (we have seen Tobi dropping a white substance) and told him; "Hey, I'm your dad. They forgot me like they forgot you. And... Rin died... Forgive your way and Kill People." Then he just said; "Hey, I'm dying. Have this mask. Yeah...Rin died, Kill people..."

Madara gave Rinnegan to Nagato or something. The end.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

Maybe...
Timeline: Maybe Madara was Tobi first, and then, on his dead bed, gave the mask to his son (Obito), and the name Tobi, that symbolizes the desire to complete his plans.
Half 13 year old boy stuff: Madara found him and implanted Hashirama cells on him, or just reconstructed his body, (we have seen Tobi dropping a white substance) and told him; "Hey, I'm your dad. They forgot me like they forgot you. And... Rin died... Forgive your way and Kill People." Then he just said; "Hey, I'm dying. Have this mask. Yeah...Rin died, Kill people..."

Madara gave Rinnegan to Nagato or something. The end.

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Dude, I think you're cool and all, buuuut no.
Madara was dead ever since fighting Harashima. We confirmed that because Kabuto was able to Tensai Madara to fight the 5 kages.
inb4 "What if he was resurrected twice?" - Madara knows the seal to stay around even after Edo Tensai. Had he ever been revived before this war, he would have stayed revived and started wrecking the place. He has just proven that the 5 kages, together and fully prepared, couldnt beat him, so a sneak attack on a vilage or two? He would have owned them.
The only way to have beaten him would be seal him, and if THAT had happened, he wouldn't be here now.

I'm not giving Kishi any sort of benefit here. This is the poorest writing/biggest disappointment i've seen in a manga in a long time. (Pretty much ever since the Chimera Ant arc of HunterXHunter or the Fullbring Crap in Bleach)

[PsychoKarin]

Originally Posted by allanime01

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Dude, I think you're cool and all, buuuut no.
Madara was dead ever since fighting Harashima. We confirmed that because Kabuto was able to Tensai Madara to fight the 5 kages.
inb4 "What if he was resurrected twice?" - Madara knows the seal to stay around even after Edo Tensai. Had he ever been revived before this war, he would have stayed revived and started wrecking the place. He has just proven that the 5 kages, together and fully prepared, couldnt beat him, so a sneak attack on a vilage or two? He would have owned them.
The only way to have beaten him would be seal him, and if THAT had happened, he wouldn't be here now.

I'm not giving Kishi any sort of benefit here. This is the poorest writing/biggest disappointment i've seen in a manga in a long time. (Pretty much ever since the Chimera Ant arc of HunterXHunter or the Fullbring Crap in Bleach)

Did the Fullbring arc feel like filler to anyone but me? Like Kubo got lazy, took the latest filler arc and said "**** it, I need to bridge the Aizen battle and the Quincies going nuts. I'll let the anime crew handle it"

[Eye-of-God]

Originally Posted by Suna.kills.you

Dbz movies are supposed to connect XP

Movie 1 - Before the Z storyline after the original one.
Movie 2 - After the Saiyajin battle
Movie 3 - After the Saiyajin battle
Movie 4 - Before Namek
Movie 5 - After Namek before Androids
Movie 6 - After Movie 5
Movie 7 - Between Namek & Cell Saga
Movie 8 - Between Namek & Cell Saga
Movie 9 - After Cell
Movie 10 - Before the World Tournament
Movie 11 - Right after Buu is released
Movie 12 - During the middle of the Buu Saga
Movie 13 - After Buu

and tobito being obito wasnt bad until the whole moon eye plan, and him knowing madara. thats what really kags timelines. but if its revealed that its not obito's original plan and somehow orochimaru ties into this with how they know eachother, then obito being tobi is pretty cool. he's been lying this whole time, and he didnt start the war for rin, he just didnt come back. c'mon how would you feel, not only did the village not look for him, his family didnt give a ****, why go back..

In a couple of dbz movies there were plot holes that's why they don't correspond to the story. For example in one of the movies goku does Super kaioken which was supposedly a mixeture of super-saiyen and kaioken but never does it in the anime, and super dragon fist started out as just a punch and a twisted fist but in the show it shows the eternal dragon why is that. because half the movies are filler with absolutely no bearings on the show in the anime they mention and build on things that happen in the show never do they ever mention the movies.

I've come to the conclusion that the real reason that Obito has started this war is because he is indebted to Madara. My theory is that Obito did "die" back then and Madara used the Rinnegan to bring him back to life that is the only thing that I can see explaining parts of this mess but Kishi still has some splaining to do.

[WizKid]

Originally Posted by Eye-of-God

In a couple of dbz movies there were plot holes that's why they don't correspond to the story. For example in one of the movies goku does Super kaioken which was supposedly a mixeture of super-saiyen and kaioken but never does it in the anime, and super dragon fist started out as just a punch and a twisted fist but in the show it shows the eternal dragon why is that. because half the movies are filler with absolutely no bearings on the show in the anime they mention and build on things that happen in the show never do they ever mention the movies.

I've come to the conclusion that the real reason that Obito has started this war is because he is indebted to Madara. My theory is that Obito did "die" back then and Madara used the Rinnegan to bring him back to life that is the only thing that I can see explaining parts of this mess but Kishi still has some splaining to do.

So does that mean madara was alive after he said he died? lol.

i mean i actually could see something along the lines of original madara revived him to have him act out the rest of his plans. he may have been the only uchiha with no real knowledge of who he was

[Earthbullet]

Originally Posted by Eye-of-God

In a couple of dbz movies there were plot holes that's why they don't correspond to the story. For example in one of the movies goku does Super kaioken which was supposedly a mixeture of super-saiyen and kaioken but never does it in the anime, and super dragon fist started out as just a punch and a twisted fist but in the show it shows the eternal dragon why is that. because half the movies are filler with absolutely no bearings on the show in the anime they mention and build on things that happen in the show never do they ever mention the movies.

I've come to the conclusion that the real reason that Obito has started this war is because he is indebted to Madara. My theory is that Obito did "die" back then and Madara used the Rinnegan to bring him back to life that is the only thing that I can see explaining parts of this mess but Kishi still has some splaining to do.

ya know most of the dbz movies take place in different time lines/realities

[Suna.kills.you]

Originally Posted by Eye-of-God

In a couple of dbz movies there were plot holes that's why they don't correspond to the story. For example in one of the movies goku does Super kaioken which was supposedly a mixeture of super-saiyen and kaioken but never does it in the anime, and super dragon fist started out as just a punch and a twisted fist but in the show it shows the eternal dragon why is that. because half the movies are filler with absolutely no bearings on the show in the anime they mention and build on things that happen in the show never do they ever mention the movies.

Thats different than saying all movies dont correlate with the show, yes there are plotholes, most of which being the timeling of things that happen in the movie that wasnt supposed to, or that just make no sense. like meta cooler being beet by them just powering up when they were supposedly running out of energy after fighting thousands of him. or Bio broly... the tree of life.. super android 13.. crap movies that mess with the timeline.

Example:
-Temujin gave trunks the sword that future trunks carries, but goku was supposed to be dead before android saga in his timeline. (Meaning if goku was dead and everyone lost to androids, how did 8 year old trunks defeat that giant monster?)
-Trunks doesnt carry the sword in GT, which is the appropriate age he should be.
Which makes me believe that Dragonball Z doesnt care about story timelines, plot holes, ITS STILL A RAW ANIME. and if you saw it while your 6 you still love if when your 22, regardless of its flaws or ****ty ending(GT)

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by PsychoKarin

Did the Fullbring arc feel like filler to anyone but me? Like Kubo got lazy, took the latest filler arc and said "**** it, I need to bridge the Aizen battle and the Quincies going nuts. I'll let the anime crew handle it"

My EXACT thoughts! He literally did it just so Ichigo can recover powers, and to elaborate on both Chad's Powers and "Previous Substitute Soul Reapers" (IE the fact there was only 1 before Ichigo and he was kinda the reason they forbid people from doing that)

[PsychoKarin]

Originally Posted by allanime01

My EXACT thoughts! He literally did it just so Ichigo can recover powers, and to elaborate on both Chad's Powers and "Previous Substitute Soul Reapers" (IE the fact there was only 1 before Ichigo and he was kinda the reason they forbid people from doing that)

I did like how Bleach separates the two universes (Anime and Manga). When Ichigo was training to control his inner hollow, he fights an imagined Byakuya, and then fights an imaginary Jin Kariya (the bount leader). Kariya actually helps him control it better than Byakuya does.

Still, the Fullbring arc was a giant mess, not helped by Kubo ignoring a perfectly good series ending.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by PsychoKarin

I did like how Bleach separates the two universes (Anime and Manga). When Ichigo was training to control his inner hollow, he fights an imagined Byakuya, and then fights an imaginary Jin Kariya (the bount leader). Kariya actually helps him control it better than Byakuya does.

Still, the Fullbring arc was a giant mess, not helped by Kubo ignoring a perfectly good series ending.

Yeah, I can appreciate that. Somehow it's like the anime people make Filler almost seem good enough to have been inculded in the manga. Bounts were pretty cool IMHO.
But yeah, Fullbring was not only dumb crap, but he totally missed literally THE perfect way to have ended that series. I thought it WAS over and like, nearly cried over that s*yay*t, and then it's all like "lol jk ichigo we can Hax0r teh p0wers back!"

Bright side: We can see the remaining Bankais that have never been revealed. I actually am excited next week to see Yamamoto's Bankai. I mean, leader of Squad 1, the man that was seriously wrecking faces with Shikai alone while everyone else (including kenpaichi) were dropping like flies, he has gotta have some beast *** Bankai! *Big Grin Smiley*
(*cough*unlesshepullsakishimoto*cough cough*)