WTH?? Madara Uchiha??

[Immortal-JyNxX]

Originally Posted by avatar7

Depends on whether he's just using the body or it actually is that ninja. I'm inclined more towards the former, similar to the way Oro used bodies (and kept their consciousness on a leash).

Its obvious already he uses a Zetsu body. I think his head is the only part that is still really him.

[avatar7]

Originally Posted by Immortal-JyNxX

Its obvious already he uses a Zetsu body. I think his head is the only part that is still really him.

I didn't want to mention any spoils, but yes, at least some parts of his body are made of Zetsu substance. Personally I'm much more interested about what Zetsu is and where he comes from. He seems to be a creation of Madara using the Hashirama cells, since we saw how he could be improved further by Kabuto just before the war.

As for Tobi, I still believe his consciousness is either a separate one, or Obito brainwashed by Madara or Zetsu. I don't believe Obito himself would change to such extent as to become the evil Tobi is now. Besides, when Tobi was fooling around, he probably used Obito's innocent personality and voice.

[venkelos]

Originally Posted by avatar7

I didn't want to mention any spoils, but yes, at least some parts of his body are made of Zetsu substance. Personally I'm much more interested about what Zetsu is and where he comes from. He seems to be a creation of Madara using the Hashirama cells, since we saw how he could be improved further by Kabuto just before the war.

As for Tobi, I still believe his consciousness is either a separate one, or Obito brainwashed by Madara or Zetsu. I don't believe Obito himself would change to such extent as to become the evil Tobi is now. Besides, when Tobi was fooling around, he probably used Obito's innocent personality and voice.

Also, while appearance/effects of aging can be a bit random, we know that Tobi looks old, and Obito would not be older than Kakashi, who despite having gray hair is only about 30, I believe. I still would believe that, after the battle was over, Obito's friends would recover his body, and destroy it, in standard ninja fashion; they weren't fleeing for home. Oh well, with the mask broken this week, maybe we'll finally get some answers, or more bs that can confuse us (I am MADARA UCHIHA! No you're not; he's right there).

[avatar7]

Originally Posted by venkelos

Also, while appearance/effects of aging can be a bit random, we know that Tobi looks old, and Obito would not be older than Kakashi, who despite having gray hair is only about 30, I believe. I still would believe that, after the battle was over, Obito's friends would recover his body, and destroy it, in standard ninja fashion; they weren't fleeing for home. Oh well, with the mask broken this week, maybe we'll finally get some answers, or more bs that can confuse us (I am MADARA UCHIHA! No you're not; he's right there).

Kakashi has silver/white hair, anime-style. It's not gray as in old age gray. :P

As for Obito's age, if he was rescued, he should have been around 15-16 when he fought the 4th, so it's not impossible that it is partially his body, mixed with Zetsu. He does look relatively small in stature, similar to Zetsu himself.

[Immortal-JyNxX]

So my question is with Tobi/Madara cross continue for more sets? Or will they start a Tobi/Obito cross next or ever?

[venkelos]

Maybe, if we're lucky, it's a juiced up Zetsu that used the copying technique. For a while, we had copycat Zetsus infiltrating the ASF's bases, causing much havoc. One did a very nice impersonation of Neji, and if this one was created directly by Madara, then maybe it would explain why it knows so much about him; and then maybe it idolized its creator, and went to find an Uchiha, to be more like him. Perhaps this found a dying Obito, and copied him, which then meant the real Obito died. Otherwise, they owe me one hell of a good story, since we saw Obito die, getting smashed up, and he did so happy, having finally come to terms with his friends. I still argue that, after Minato arrived, everything was peaceful, and there is NO good reason why they couldn't have returned, and destroyed Obito's corpse, in standard ninja fashion. If that smiling Obito, sans one Sharingan, could somehow become this Tobi, they better make an awesome tale of it, especially with the most recent issue being 14 pages of flashback, with no dialogue, and one page of "hey Kakashi, isn't that...? Yeah, Guy, but how?"

[avatar7]

Originally Posted by venkelos

Maybe, if we're lucky, it's a juiced up Zetsu that used the copying technique. For a while, we had copycat Zetsus infiltrating the ASF's bases, causing much havoc. One did a very nice impersonation of Neji, and if this one was created directly by Madara, then maybe it would explain why it knows so much about him; and then maybe it idolized its creator, and went to find an Uchiha, to be more like him. Perhaps this found a dying Obito, and copied him, which then meant the real Obito died. Otherwise, they owe me one hell of a good story, since we saw Obito die, getting smashed up, and he did so happy, having finally come to terms with his friends. I still argue that, after Minato arrived, everything was peaceful, and there is NO good reason why they couldn't have returned, and destroyed Obito's corpse, in standard ninja fashion. If that smiling Obito, sans one Sharingan, could somehow become this Tobi, they better make an awesome tale of it, especially with the most recent issue being 14 pages of flashback, with no dialogue, and one page of "hey Kakashi, isn't that...? Yeah, Guy, but how?"

One thing I'm almost certain of is Zetsu saved Obito (or Obito's body) just before the crumbling rocks killed him for good, probably going through the ground.