Predictions

[TheLastHokage]

1) First of all, Tobi is Izuna.
2) Izuna didn't give his eyes, Madara took them.
3) Izuna survived the battle, or Tobirama revived him.
4) He had the ability to take bodies for his own, much like Orochimaru.
5) He found Obito, cured him, until Obito then turned against him, unlocking
Mangekyou Sharingan, but Izuna killed him.
6) Izuna took Obito's body.
7) Izuna killed Madara, as a plot for Him to be revived.
8) Nagato found the Ame Orphans, gave them shelter and ultimately trained
them.
9) He took his brother's Rinnegan and gave them to Nagato.
10) He convinced Nagato into forming Akatsuki.
11) The Will of Fire is stained, and the Foundings of Konoha are dark.

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Originally Posted by TheLastHokage

1) First of all, Tobi is Izuna.
2) Izuna didn't give his eyes, Madara took them.
3) Izuna survived the battle, or Tobirama revived him.
4) He had the ability to take bodies for his own, much like Orochimaru.
5) He found Obito, cured him, until Obito then turned against him, unlocking
Mangekyou Sharingan, but Izuna killed him.
6) Izuna took Obito's body.
7) Izuna killed Madara, as a plot for Him to be revived.
8) Nagato found the Ame Orphans, gave them shelter and ultimately trained
them.
9) He took his brother's Rinnegan and gave them to Nagato.
10) He convinced Nagato into forming Akatsuki.
11) The Will of Fire is stained, and the Foundings of Konoha are dark.

they see you trollin, they hatin

if you arent trolling, then you're simply dumb. and heres why

1) nah

2) assuming 1 is true, why would he tell sasuke that he gave up his eyes willingly, what is there to gain from saying that.
3) survived what battle?

4) so he chose to take the body of a 1/2 crushed 13 year old loser uchiha with 1 eye missing instead of...anyone else. even the fetus of sakura. seriously everyone riding the "someone possessed obito's body" thing needs to take a long hard look at that fact and think of why the hell he'd take virtually the worst possible body to take.

5) why bother curing him when he can just take a better body that doesn't require medical attention? why did obito turn on the guy who saved his life? how the frack did that somehow cause mangekyou to unlock when he unlocked sharingan in general, at 2 tomoe if that matters, hours/days/weeks prior (depending on how long the "curing" went) and has had little to no time to master it further.

6) nah

7)..so madara was still alive 16 years ago? and izuna killed him just then? with OBITO's body 0_o

8) nagato was one of the rain orphans bro. and jiraiya was the one who trained them and gave them shelter.

9) you realize nagato was living with his parents, then they got killed and he awoke rinnegan (which was, allegedly implanted by tobi) and he seemingly didnt know wtf was going on. thus, because of his parents not being dead yet, he didnt need shelter given to him by tobi or jiraiya or anyone. and when he finally DID need shelter, jiraiya gave it.

10) yahiko formed akatsuki. akatsuki started out as that rebel band of people trying to reform rain village. then yahiko got killed in that flashback, nagato went ape **** on danzou and hanzou's forces, and his ideals completely changed and changed what akatsuki was all about (perhaps even just then giving it the akatsuki name and changing the uniform to have the clouds and pimpin hats)

11) trolololololololololololol. yeah i don't remotely believe you believe this.

assuming just dumb and not troll, these arent predictions, just wild baseless speculations.

[allanime01]

Oh look! It's an interview with the creator from Comic MArket 78!

For the record, your little bash parade on claiming Hokage is trolling would be nice, except I don't see you providing literally any other theory or support? I mean Tobi = Izuna has potential, motivation, and if the right cir****tances are revealed will explain a WHOLE lot more than would be if it were Obito. So let's counter those counters you made:
1) Yeah
2) Madara is not Tobi, remember? Madara could have very well stolen Izuna's eyes and Tobi (Izuna) could claim that they were given. Why? Tobi is a manipulative A-hole. Why not?
3) Assuming Izuna killed Madara and not the other way around as we were told (CH. 386), Izuna fought the first hokage all those years ago, under the guise of Madara. I believe that's the implication.
4) Thing is, you think any HEALTHY ninja couldn't have taken on Izuna? Dude would have been old, weak, like Orochimaru when HE needed the transfer (only less so cause Orochi was a sannin) Sasuke's fetus? None of the characters we saw grow up were even THOUGHT of concieved. Hell KAkashi is freaking 12 at this point! So yeah, maybe the poor weak man had to take what he could get. He takes the body, revives and fixes it, and then starts Akatsuki up. Is it any crazier than "Oh hey Obito magically survived and is also now inexplicably evil!" at all?
5) explained in 4. It's all he had to take. Though Hokage you're wrong on the healing thing. Obito was way near dead. Izuna either took the body AT the last moment of death and healed himself, or he wouldn't have taken it. No way Izuna revives a ninja and risks not getting the body.
6) Again, covered it. It's just as likely as Obito magically staying alive. Really dude? Is "Nah" you're smartest argument? and you called Hokage dumb?
7) Hokage, that's a bit of a stretch. I think Izuna killed Madara for his eyes, rather than the other way around as we were told. He would have had too for anything else you claim to have happened. Then after Madara's body began to rot and decay and grow old, he took Tobi's
8-10) Action a-hole here is right on these. Nagato, Yahiko (Deva Path) and Konan were the orphans. Jiraiya trained them. Yahiko starts Akatsuki who at this point are basically just rebel ninjas that want peace. Yahiko dies in a battle and Nagato fully awakens rinnegan, creating the 6 paths with Yahiko as Deva.
11) Check that there interview bro. As it is, Konoha was made by a hokage and a foundation member sending a double agent Uchiha into the Uchihas to kill them all, while THAT agent was already being manipulated by a masked man who also knew the dark secrets and more (or so he claimed) That's pretty dark already, and apparently it's gonna get worse.

So yeah, with the exception of 8-10, all you did was act like a self assured dumb-butt that apparently thinks he knows all of this MUST be wrong (knowing it enough to claim any possible other opinions/predictions must be trolls or idiots) yet you didnt make any thoughts or predictions yourself? Not even claiming Tobi is just Obito and we accept it. Nothing. Seriously, what's the point of that?

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Originally Posted by allanime01

Oh look! It's an interview with the creator from Comic MArket 78!

For the record, your little bash parade on claiming Hokage is trolling would be nice, except I don't see you providing literally any other theory or support? I mean Tobi = Izuna has potential, motivation, and if the right cir****tances are revealed will explain a WHOLE lot more than would be if it were Obito. So let's counter those counters you made:
1) Yeah
2) Madara is not Tobi, remember? Madara could have very well stolen Izuna's eyes and Tobi (Izuna) could claim that they were given. Why? Tobi is a manipulative A-hole. Why not?
3) Assuming Izuna killed Madara and not the other way around as we were told (CH. 386), Izuna fought the first hokage all those years ago, under the guise of Madara. I believe that's the implication.
4) Thing is, you think any HEALTHY ninja couldn't have taken on Izuna? Dude would have been old, weak, like Orochimaru when HE needed the transfer (only less so cause Orochi was a sannin) Sasuke's fetus? None of the characters we saw grow up were even THOUGHT of concieved. Hell KAkashi is freaking 12 at this point! So yeah, maybe the poor weak man had to take what he could get. He takes the body, revives and fixes it, and then starts Akatsuki up. Is it any crazier than "Oh hey Obito magically survived and is also now inexplicably evil!" at all?
5) explained in 4. It's all he had to take. Though Hokage you're wrong on the healing thing. Obito was way near dead. Izuna either took the body AT the last moment of death and healed himself, or he wouldn't have taken it. No way Izuna revives a ninja and risks not getting the body.
6) Again, covered it. It's just as likely as Obito magically staying alive. Really dude? Is "Nah" you're smartest argument? and you called Hokage dumb?
7) Hokage, that's a bit of a stretch. I think Izuna killed Madara for his eyes, rather than the other way around as we were told. He would have had too for anything else you claim to have happened. Then after Madara's body began to rot and decay and grow old, he took Tobi's
8-10) Action a-hole here is right on these. Nagato, Yahiko (Deva Path) and Konan were the orphans. Jiraiya trained them. Yahiko starts Akatsuki who at this point are basically just rebel ninjas that want peace. Yahiko dies in a battle and Nagato fully awakens rinnegan, creating the 6 paths with Yahiko as Deva.
11) Check that there interview bro. As it is, Konoha was made by a hokage and a foundation member sending a double agent Uchiha into the Uchihas to kill them all, while THAT agent was already being manipulated by a masked man who also knew the dark secrets and more (or so he claimed) That's pretty dark already, and apparently it's gonna get worse.

So yeah, with the exception of 8-10, all you did was act like a self assured dumb-butt that apparently thinks he knows all of this MUST be wrong (knowing it enough to claim any possible other opinions/predictions must be trolls or idiots) yet you didnt make any thoughts or predictions yourself? Not even claiming Tobi is just Obito and we accept it. Nothing. Seriously, what's the point of that?

oh look, a fake interview, adorable.

1) nah

2) of course tobi isnt madara, he's obito derp. but under the assumption he is izuna, theres no reason to say he gave his eyes to his brother if he didnt.

3) so assuming something happened that you have no proof happened occurred and that we have no reason to believe happened, then something might have happened. i believe thats the implication here. and thats a bad implication to make. again, thats not a prediction, thats wild speculation

4) hiruzen was old. oonoki is old. kakuzu was old. all very powerful shinobi. age doesnt automatically mean he's some brittle broken weakling who's only option was a 1/2 crushed 13 year old crappy uchiha with 1 eye.

5) yeah no way he'd do that. i mean we kno so much about izuna that we can safely say theres no way he'd just revive a ninja with no guarantee he gets the body. izuna experts such as you and I know that all too well. i could write books on all the info i have on izuna

are you effing listening to yourself? you worded that like you KNOW izuna. all we know about him is that he was madaras bro, was the second strongest uchiha of the time. and he looked similar to sasuke. the only other thing we've heard about him are his loss of eyes which we arent 100% sure was voluntary or against his will. you cant say he'd do one thing over another thing when you dont know him at all

but thats besides the point since it isnt him and he didnt just steal obitos body. if by some miracle its revealed he did, it isnt because you are some master detective or something, its because you guessed correctly. yes, guessed. because thats all it is. theres absolutely nothing to back it up

6) of course its not my best argument, my best arguments were the other things i said that you are either ignoring or laughably trying to refute. i simply dont believe izuna, or anyone took obito's body and theres no reason to make an argument for it since i dont need to. readers have thought it was obito for years. guy and kakashi thinks its obito. we see its obito. when he was bantering with kakashi he said personal things. the entire chapter save the last page or 2 was obito flashbacks.

to put it more simply, all evidence supports ME thus i dont need to make an argument for why its obito, you guys need to give arguments as to why it ISNT and back it up with something more than wild speculation.

7) seriously, where is all this stuff for izuna beating madara instead of the other way around coming from.

8-10) word

11) i already read the fake interview bro.

I'm not self assured, i'm evidence assured. at least *I* back up what I say. of course in don't know everything. i never claimed to. you shouldn't put words in my mouth. I also don't automatically disagree with differing opinions because of said alleged all knowingness. disagreeing with this one (now 2) persons views that have no basis and seem like random things thrown together out of nowhere or off fake interviews.

according to this thread, 2 out of every 3 people believe everything they read off the internet.

[allanime01]

Originally Posted by ACTION *******

oh look, a fake interview, adorable.

1) nah

2) of course tobi isnt madara, he's obito derp. but under the assumption he is izuna, theres no reason to say he gave his eyes to his brother if he didnt.

3) so assuming something happened that you have no proof happened occurred and that we have no reason to believe happened, then something might have happened. i believe thats the implication here. and thats a bad implication to make. again, thats not a prediction, thats wild speculation

4) hiruzen was old. oonoki is old. kakuzu was old. all very powerful shinobi. age doesnt automatically mean he's some brittle broken weakling who's only option was a 1/2 crushed 13 year old crappy uchiha with 1 eye.

5) yeah no way he'd do that. i mean we kno so much about izuna that we can safely say theres no way he'd just revive a ninja with no guarantee he gets the body. izuna experts such as you and I know that all too well. i could write books on all the info i have on izuna

are you effing listening to yourself? you worded that like you KNOW izuna. all we know about him is that he was madaras bro, was the second strongest uchiha of the time. and he looked similar to sasuke. the only other thing we've heard about him are his loss of eyes which we arent 100% sure was voluntary or against his will. you cant say he'd do one thing over another thing when you dont know him at all

but thats besides the point since it isnt him and he didnt just steal obitos body. if by some miracle its revealed he did, it isnt because you are some master detective or something, its because you guessed correctly. yes, guessed. because thats all it is. theres absolutely nothing to back it up

6) of course its not my best argument, my best arguments were the other things i said that you are either ignoring or laughably trying to refute. i simply dont believe izuna, or anyone took obito's body and theres no reason to make an argument for it since i dont need to. readers have thought it was obito for years. guy and kakashi thinks its obito. we see its obito. when he was bantering with kakashi he said personal things. the entire chapter save the last page or 2 was obito flashbacks.

to put it more simply, all evidence supports ME thus i dont need to make an argument for why its obito, you guys need to give arguments as to why it ISNT and back it up with something more than wild speculation.

7) seriously, where is all this stuff for izuna beating madara instead of the other way around coming from.

8-10) word

11) i already read the fake interview bro.

I'm not self assured, i'm evidence assured. at least *I* back up what I say. of course in don't know everything. i never claimed to. you shouldn't put words in my mouth. I also don't automatically disagree with differing opinions because of said alleged all knowingness. disagreeing with this one (now 2) persons views that have no basis and seem like random things thrown together out of nowhere or off fake interviews.

according to this thread, 2 out of every 3 people believe everything they read off the internet.

You claim its fake, and yet you don't know that. I see no proof saying it's real or faked. So you choose not to believe it, while I choose to believe it. I choose to believe that the writer has more sense than to do something that he knows full well A) none of the fans want and B) makes literally no sense. I mean do you hear yourself? You don't have any further explanation on it being Obito than I do of it possibly being Izuna. Yeah, he looks like Obito. Man, it's not like anyone has jutsus that change appearance/steal bodies or anything! I have a perfectly legit theory on Izuna being Tobi. Izuna was actually the most powerful Uchiha, NOT Madara. he took Madaras eyes, HE fought with the First Hokage, the battle that left him (actual quote here, look it up yourself) "A shell of his former self" Call me crazy but a "shell" of someone doesn't sound Kage or Sannin level strong. The fact he was old meant little compared to the "crippled" part.
Then, now in Obitos body and recovered for the most part Izuna dons the name "Tobi" and controls the 9-tails, and fights the 4th hokage, then goes off and fleshes out his moon's eye plan with Akatsuki. (Wheels he probably already had in motion) It can work, it's completely possible, and there's literally no proof that says it's not. Does that mean I think i'm some "Master detective" like you imply? (now who is putting words in someones mouth?) F*YAY*K NO! It's a "Theory" for a F*yay*king reason you moron! My own guess and explanation as to why I think it might be this way. If i'm right, then yippee skippy and yahoo, I guess this manga hasn't gone to s*yay*t after all!

However, i'll bite. You said yourself that "all the evidence backs ME up so people need to stop making theories to why it's not" but the thing is a good writer doesn't just make a character be someone for s*yay*ts and giggles. He needs reason, motivation, cause. The character has to have a motive and a purpose for himself. Naruto wants to be respected by the village. Sasuke wants revenge on everyone. Pain wanted peace in the world. All of those are examples.

Tell me one GOOD reason why Tobi is Obito. Obito, the man that died calling Kakashi and his father a hero because he would never abandon comrades. Obito, the guy that helped little old ladies with bags even if it meant being late for the most important exam for a genin. Obito, who is BASICALLY NARUTO WITH A SHARINGAN!!!!!
Tell me why Tobi being Obito makes any sense whatsoever, and i'l drop it.
inb4 you quote this and literally just say "Because they showed us it's Obito" Yeah, appearance altering/body stealing justus don't exist or anything.

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Originally Posted by allanime01

Obito, who is BASICALLY NARUTO WITH A SHARINGAN!!!!!

THIS!!! Their ENTIRE TEAM is pretty much Squad 7. Obiruto loves Sakurin, Sakurin loves Kakaske, Kakaske doesn't love Sakurin, Obiruto and Kakaske constantly are rivals until Obiruto sees Kakaske as a friend.

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part 1

Originally Posted by allanime01

You claim its fake, and yet you don't know that. I see no proof saying it's real or faked. So you choose not to believe it, while I choose to believe it.

exactly, you just choose to believe shifty sounding interviews on the internet just because and I choose NOT to believe everything I read on the internet.

Originally Posted by allanime01

I choose to believe that the writer has more sense than to do something that he knows full well A) none of the fans want and B) makes literally no sense.

what we know: masashi kishimoto is a bad writer

what we don't know: he actively chooses good ideas and chooses not to use bad ideas.

you are implying he has sense to begin with. he clearly lost that a long time ago. and it being izuna doesn't change that.

Originally Posted by allanime01

I mean do you hear yourself? You don't have any further explanation on it being Obito than I do of it possibly being Izuna. Yeah, he looks like Obito.

sure doesn't look like izuna =/. not to mention the name is reminiscent of obito and he was talking to kakashi as though he knew him.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Man, it's not like anyone has jutsus that change appearance

then he might want to get rid of that face deformation from where he was crushed. or better yet, look like his brother madara who he was trying to impersonate. or at least like himself who is allegedly the greatest thing since sliced madara.

Originally Posted by allanime01

steal bodies or anything!

he might want to not steal the body of a 1/2 crushed one eyed 13 year old bad ninja. cuz i was only slightly exaggerating before...cuz if he was limited due to his own power level, which seems iffy, i imagine he'd still be able to take an academy student who, at the very least, isn't 1/2 crushed and missing an eye.

Originally Posted by allanime01

I have a perfectly legit theory on Izuna being Tobi.

that's impossible seeing as theres nothing remotely hinting that its izuna, other than the shifty fake interview. thats like me saying i have a legitimate theory that you are a 12 foot alien lizard because i read in an interview with your parents that you were. guess what, the average reaction to that should be "parents are crazy" or "seems fake and amde up, no way his parents said that", not "my god...i cant believe he's a 1 foot tall alien lizard!"

Originally Posted by allanime01

Izuna was actually the most powerful Uchiha, NOT Madara.

based on what? oh, right, your imagination. certainly not on things we've learned from the manga.

if izuna was all that and a bag of chips, why is everyone all "omfg madara!!!!!" and not "omfg izuna!!!!!"? if he was the best and if he took his brothers eyes (basically making him leafs founder, not no eyed madara) and he fought hashirama...why does everyone think madara did those things. that just doesn't add up.

Originally Posted by allanime01

he took Madaras eyes

you should be on fosters home for imaginary friends, your imagination is boundless

Originally Posted by allanime01

HE fought with the First Hokage

see, there's this guy. you might know him actually, his name is madara. he was revived recently and he seems to be under the impression that HE fought hashirama. he also has eternal mangekyou sharingan, which you get from taking your brothers eyes. weird huh.

Originally Posted by allanime01

the battle that left him (actual quote here, look it up yourself) "A shell of his former self"

i know the quote. tobi or itachi said it to sasuke when explaining tobi/himself...while calling him madara. and compared to the awesome power that is madara, obito, even super powered "omg look at me i somehow have mangekyou sharingan and time space jutsu" obito would seem like quite the shell.

but then, its not madara, who, unlike izuna, we've actually seen for real outside of flashbacks. who lives up to his reputation and then some. who has eyes you obtain from taking your brothers eyes.

we know jack and squat about izuna so you saying things is just that...you saying things. and thats what i dont think you understand. I'm saying things based off what, admittedly little, we know (assuming its true). you and TC are just spouting seemingly random things with no basis.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Call me crazy

you crazy

Originally Posted by allanime01

but a "shell" of someone doesn't sound Kage or Sannin level strong. The fact he was old meant little compared to the "crippled" part.

they didnt use the word crippled, you just did. and you know what, thats still pretty subjective. the madara we have witnessed recently is pretty much a god even not counting the fact that he cant be killed and regenerates damage instantly. his jutsu are just on a completely different level, and he's implying he's still holding back. actually, not implying, its a fact he is since he stopped using that super saiyan susano'o from before.

compared to that level of power, which even all 5 kage are having trouble against...yeah, I'd say even the average jounin would be a shell or a cripple compared to that, especially since you are saying izuna is even stronger then THAT. heck, even the sannin and kage would seem like a shell. if you went to sleep as a madara level ninja and woke up as tsunade or gaara or something...I'd say you are a shell of your formal self.

of course this is meaningless since the shell thing was just for OBITO to explain why he as "madara" wasn't a demigod.

and please if you answer anything in this post answer me this...how does taking over the body of a 13 year old 1/2 crushed one eyed kid make you not a shell of your former self. did taking over his body allow him to be capable of more somehow? why did doing that allow him to be capable of more than taking over an untalented not dead kid. maybe even a healthy more talented younger kid. more potential, not dying, and still weak.

Originally Posted by allanime01

It can work it's completely possible, and there's literally no proof that says it's not.

it doesnt work, it is however completely possible given that kishimoto is a terrible writer and this is a terrible idea. and theres literally no proof that its not the second hokage.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Does that mean I think i'm some "Master detective" like you imply? (now who is putting words in someones mouth?)

trust me lol, i don't think you are a master detective. and I wasn't implying you thought you were. I was implying that if kishimoto became an even worse writer than he already is and made this happen, that you shouldn't get on some sort of "woot, called it" high horse. I was letting you know that if pigs fly and you are correct that its because kishimoto is a hack, not that you were sliced bread.

because this isnt really any better than obito. I would argue worse. now thats somewhat opinion, so let me tell you why I think that. because he's been lying to us and setting us up for a lie for years if it is izuna. he's hinted the crap out of obito, leaving us clues that may or may not have really been clues and may just have been fans making more of things that were meaningless in reality.

however, to hint at obito and then give us someone he introduced relatively recently who we know basically nothing about, who wasnt hinted at what so ever isnt good writing. its just m night kishimotalan being bad.

dont get me wrong, im not saying it being obito is a good thing. I'm just saying why izuna doesnt exactly fix things in my mind. cuz thats still bad writing. whether its better or worse than obito is debatable. but its still bad writing.

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part 2

Originally Posted by allanime01

F*YAY*K NO! It's a "Theory" for a F*yay*king reason you moron! My own guess and explanation as to why I think it might be this way. If i'm right, then yippee skippy and yahoo, I guess this manga hasn't gone to s*yay*t after all!

calling me a moron why you believe everything you read off the internet juuuust adorable.

see, when you make a theory you generally have valid reasons to support said theory and for thinking said theory in the first place. this is just based on random speculation. its like you and your friends were in your room and you were all "you know what would be awesome? if tobi was actually izuna" you then go off thinking of made up ways it could possibly be izuna, even when they contradict current information.

so yeah, theres kind of a difference between the two.

and trust me, obito or not, its gone to ****. its been that way for a long time now and one identity change isnt going to change that. im not quite sure how you think it being izuna suddenly fixes every other mistake kishimoto has made the last few years and make the manga good again.

Originally Posted by allanime01

However, i'll bite. You said yourself that "all the evidence backs ME up so people need to stop making theories to why it's not"

never said that bro, but i guess you cant see through your internet goggles that make dumb things look true.

you are most certainly allowed to make whatever random grasping for straws guesses you want. that is well within your right as a human being. I certainly had no intention to stop that. I was trying to bring to light the holes in this "theory" so that it wouldn't sound so bad. the dude said izuna did what we know jiraiya did for god sakes =/.

sorry but the moment he said that he became dumb. you can report me or say "hey, stop being mean to him you big bully" all you want. it doesn't change that he was saying dumb things.

[quote=allanime01;1331885]but the thing is a good writer doesn't just make a character be someone for s*yay*ts and giggles.[/QUOTES]

of course. to do so would make you a terrible writer

Originally Posted by allanime01

He needs reason, motivation, cause.

absolutely. agreed 100% good chap.

Originally Posted by allanime01

The character has to have a motive and a purpose for himself. Naruto wants to be respected by the village.

its like you are reading my mind

Originally Posted by allanime01

Sasuke is a bad character and has been doing things for stupid reasons for quite some time

fixed that for you

Originally Posted by allanime01

Pain wanted peace in the world. All of those are examples.

indeed they are

Originally Posted by allanime01

Tell me one GOOD reason why Tobi is Obito. Obito, the man that died calling Kakashi and his father a hero because he would never abandon comrades. Obito, the guy that helped little old ladies with bags even if it meant being late for the most important exam for a genin. Obito, who is BASICALLY NARUTO WITH A SHARINGAN!!!!!
Tell me why Tobi being Obito makes any sense whatsoever, and i'l drop it.
inb4 you quote this and literally just say "Because they showed us it's Obito" Yeah, appearance altering/body stealing justus don't exist or anything.

well you got me sir. for you see i agree with you 100% and a good writer should keep all those things in mind when making a good character. and I cannot for the life of me come up with a good reason for it being obito and never claimed to be able to for you see...


MASASHI KISHIMOTO IS A TERRIBLE WRITER!!!!!

for the love of...come on. what manga have you been reading. like i said before, it being izuna doesn't change the crap he's done in the past. or even the crap he's done in this very chapter (completely contradicting things such as character ages) or wtf moments (usually involving sasuke) or how poorly sakura is treated (sorry but his "hinata would probably make a better heroin" isnt an excuse for not writing her well because she has potential. shes only bad because he makes her bad) or how he wastes character potential in general and never showing anyone do anything. cuz there HAVE been opportunities. the story revolving around naruto is no excuse to not show others doing things when the opportunity arises, and it has arisen several times. he doent even utilize narutos own team mates well, let alone his other friends.


so yeah, theres no ****ing good reason its obito. i never claimed there was. kishimoto is a hack. and i have no idea what happened to him because several years ago i would have said he was a GREAT writer. if not great then at least above average and clearly competent.

all i claimed was that proof was on my side. i never said I LIKED it. I said it being izuna is dumb, I didn't say it being obito ISN'T dumb.

now, regardless of our differing opinions on how good an idea izuna is, i say this based on the notion that izuna is a much much much much much much much better idea than obito and what i say is this


you give that man too much credit. the dude apparently cant even remember how old his characters are, forget being able to implement a mystery character well.

[ACTION *******]

surprise part 3


i wasnt planning on this but I just thought "you know what, people like this who believe everything they read on the internet cant be reasoned with. i need to put this to rest"

so i went to look for proof that that shady sounding interview was fake so at the absolute very least the izuna thing has no basis, even from a gullible persons point of view.

first thing i did was look at that interview one more time. i decided to check the comment section since, if fake, surly people on the site would know

and wouldnt you know it

[url]http://www.fandom.com/fandom/naruto/blogs/2372/the%20-truth-behind-the-comic-market-78-interview/[/url]


took like literally 1 minute to debunk that interview.

but no, no people like you just go "hmm well instead of fact checking...i'll buy it. heck not only will i believe it, i'll spread it around as fact and use it as a legitimate argument even though it isnt"

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by ACTION *******

oh look, a fake interview, adorable.

1) nah

2) of course tobi isnt madara, he's obito derp. but under the assumption he is izuna, theres no reason to say he gave his eyes to his brother if he didnt.

3) so assuming something happened that you have no proof happened occurred and that we have no reason to believe happened, then something might have happened. i believe thats the implication here. and thats a bad implication to make. again, thats not a prediction, thats wild speculation

4) hiruzen was old. oonoki is old. kakuzu was old. all very powerful shinobi. age doesnt automatically mean he's some brittle broken weakling who's only option was a 1/2 crushed 13 year old crappy uchiha with 1 eye.

5) yeah no way he'd do that. i mean we kno so much about izuna that we can safely say theres no way he'd just revive a ninja with no guarantee he gets the body. izuna experts such as you and I know that all too well. i could write books on all the info i have on izuna

are you effing listening to yourself? you worded that like you KNOW izuna. all we know about him is that he was madaras bro, was the second strongest uchiha of the time. and he looked similar to sasuke. the only other thing we've heard about him are his loss of eyes which we arent 100% sure was voluntary or against his will. you cant say he'd do one thing over another thing when you dont know him at all

but thats besides the point since it isnt him and he didnt just steal obitos body. if by some miracle its revealed he did, it isnt because you are some master detective or something, its because you guessed correctly. yes, guessed. because thats all it is. theres absolutely nothing to back it up

6) of course its not my best argument, my best arguments were the other things i said that you are either ignoring or laughably trying to refute. i simply dont believe izuna, or anyone took obito's body and theres no reason to make an argument for it since i dont need to. readers have thought it was obito for years. guy and kakashi thinks its obito. we see its obito. when he was bantering with kakashi he said personal things. the entire chapter save the last page or 2 was obito flashbacks.

to put it more simply, all evidence supports ME thus i dont need to make an argument for why its obito, you guys need to give arguments as to why it ISNT and back it up with something more than wild speculation.

7) seriously, where is all this stuff for izuna beating madara instead of the other way around coming from.

8-10) word

11) i already read the fake interview bro.

I'm not self assured, i'm evidence assured. at least *I* back up what I say. of course in don't know everything. i never claimed to. you shouldn't put words in my mouth. I also don't automatically disagree with differing opinions because of said alleged all knowingness. disagreeing with this one (now 2) persons views that have no basis and seem like random things thrown together out of nowhere or off fake interviews.

according to this thread, 2 out of every 3 people believe everything they read off the internet.

This is terrible arguing sir. Regardless of who is right in your little squabble, you are both equally bad at arguing, and you have both made statements that are not true, or are biased.

Originally Posted by Sai'ix Renkai

THIS!!! Their ENTIRE TEAM is pretty much Squad 7. Obiruto loves Sakurin, Sakurin loves Kakaske, Kakaske doesn't love Sakurin, Obiruto and Kakaske constantly are rivals until Obiruto sees Kakaske as a friend.

^this lol.

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calling me a moron why you believe everything you read off the internet juuuust adorable.

see, when you make a theory you generally have valid reasons to support said theory and for thinking said theory in the first place. this is just based on random speculation. its like you and your friends were in your room and you were all "you know what would be awesome? if tobi was actually izuna" you then go off thinking of made up ways it could possibly be izuna, even when they contradict current information.

so yeah, theres kind of a difference between the two.

and trust me, obito or not, its gone to ****. its been that way for a long time now and one identity change isnt going to change that. im not quite sure how you think it being izuna suddenly fixes every other mistake kishimoto has made the last few years and make the manga good again.



never said that bro, but i guess you cant see through your internet goggles that make dumb things look true.

you are most certainly allowed to make whatever random grasping for straws guesses you want. that is well within your right as a human being. I certainly had no intention to stop that. I was trying to bring to light the holes in this "theory" so that it wouldn't sound so bad. the dude said izuna did what we know jiraiya did for god sakes =/.

sorry but the moment he said that he became dumb. you can report me or say "hey, stop being mean to him you big bully" all you want. it doesn't change that he was saying dumb things.

Originally Posted by allanime01

but the thing is a good writer doesn't just make a character be someone for s*yay*ts and giggles.[/QUOTES]

of course. to do so would make you a terrible writer



absolutely. agreed 100% good chap.



its like you are reading my mind



fixed that for you



indeed they are



well you got me sir. for you see i agree with you 100% and a good writer should keep all those things in mind when making a good character. and I cannot for the life of me come up with a good reason for it being obito and never claimed to be able to for you see...


MASASHI KISHIMOTO IS A TERRIBLE WRITER!!!!!

for the love of...come on. what manga have you been reading. like i said before, it being izuna doesn't change the crap he's done in the past. or even the crap he's done in this very chapter (completely contradicting things such as character ages) or wtf moments (usually involving sasuke) or how poorly sakura is treated (sorry but his "hinata would probably make a better heroin" isnt an excuse for not writing her well because she has potential. shes only bad because he makes her bad) or how he wastes character potential in general and never showing anyone do anything. cuz there HAVE been opportunities. the story revolving around naruto is no excuse to not show others doing things when the opportunity arises, and it has arisen several times. he doent even utilize narutos own team mates well, let alone his other friends.


so yeah, theres no ****ing good reason its obito. i never claimed there was. kishimoto is a hack. and i have no idea what happened to him because several years ago i would have said he was a GREAT writer. if not great then at least above average and clearly competent.

all i claimed was that proof was on my side. i never said I LIKED it. I said it being izuna is dumb, I didn't say it being obito ISN'T dumb.

now, regardless of our differing opinions on how good an idea izuna is, i say this based on the notion that izuna is a much much much much much much much better idea than obito and what i say is this


you give that man too much credit. the dude apparently cant even remember how old his characters are, forget being able to implement a mystery character well.

Again, while I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying, it doesn't change the fact that your argument style is invalid. Honestly, you sound like a troll. Don't get me wrong, a lot of what you say is indeed true, but you honestly look like someone who is seeking out conflict intentionally. That's a troll. Might want to work on that. Just a bit of advice.