Kakashi Cup: Round 4 Rock Lee vs. Momochi Zabuza

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Originally Posted by Nejifan

1. then you have officially CHANGED the rules of your own tournament. Using the same logic as you have presented, gaara, taken from the timeline of the chunin exams, can create more sand just like he did against kimi, and yet, THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED. this is the EXACT same situation, and yet you choose to allow it this time. I call BS. You cannot justify this under any cir****tances.

2. really? he tried to attack a high level elite jonin with easily blockable projectiles even in the mist at it's thickest instead of killing him without making a sound, which he has been reportedly able to do? where does that make sense?

1. That isn't even close to the same thing

2. So your telling me he just randomly through shuriken and just randomly managed to throw them in the exact same spot as Kakashi was? where does that make sense?

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1. If you were here, I'd kick your hind parts. I'm getting real sick of you twisting my words. you need to learn how to read into the meaning behind what is said instead of just what was said. you also need to learn not to take things out of context. experience as in total number of kills, and experience as in having faced a technique before ARE NOT THE SAME. as far as we know, zabuza has not faced someone as skilled in melee combat as lee before. you cannot say 'oh, zabuza has fought hundreds of people, odds are he's fought some taijutsu experts'. that is not valid.

2. like h.e.l.l. it was. sasuke with 0 sharingan kept up with a (supposedly) 4 speed haku. with 2 TOMOE he couldn't keep up with a roughly 2.5 speed lee.

haku didn't have a 4 in taijutsu speed, that much is certain. if he did, he sure as heck didn't use it against sasuke.

3. water prison needs a LOT of water, enough to surround the opponent and nearly immobilize them. take a look back at how much water zabuza's clones possess. it's not even close to that amount. it's not even enough to surround someone.

also. sasuke can do shadow clones. lightning clones are shadow clones with lightning element chakra in them. sasuke has lightning element chakra. therefore, 'logically' sasuke can use lightning clones. face it, that point isnt valid.

4. are you nuts? lee is on defense in this fight. he's not going to charge in blindly. even naruto wouldn't fall for that. lee already knows that if he gets caught in water prison he can't win. he's not going near water voluntarily. he's not as reckless as you seem to think. even against gaara he wasn't reckless. he was calculating, measuring what the sand could and could not do.

need I say again, kakashi, with less speed than lee, was able to see well enough in the mist to dodge zabuza point blank. lee is fully capable of dodging all of zabuza's attacks in the mist. the mist will not be as thick as it was in zabuza's second match with kakashi because there is far less water. it will be more like the first match.

5. oh no, you mean obito, who was weak even by leaf standards had some trouble? and kakashi, who wasn't even able to see the enemy, got blindsided? oh yeah, that means you are strong. kakashi lost an eye because of kakashi, not because of his opponent. face it. iruka himself could have accomplished those two things.

1. It is about as valid as think that combat experience is worth nothing in these fights.

2. So now we have a new stat Taijutsu Speed? That is news to me.

3.Then I guess sit is a good thing for Lee that there isn't anymore water in the area, say like, a small lake or a pond. Also, it is not the same thing. First of all we have never seen Sasuke make a Shadow Clone in his life, and secondly we have no idea what the difference between a shadow clone and a lightning clone is. By your logic Naruto should start spamming up Wind Clones.

4. What? I thought you said Lee would just run around wildly until he found Zabua in the Mist? Make up your mind.

5. But Obito was a Leaf Chunin, therefore he should be one of the strongest ever And please tell me you are not claiming Iruka could have killed those two Jonin that Kakashi did.

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1. then you have officially CHANGED the rules of your own tournament. Using the same logic as you have presented, gaara, taken from the timeline of the chunin exams, can create more sand just like he did against kimi, and yet, THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED. this is the EXACT same situation, and yet you choose to allow it this time. I call BS. You cannot justify this under any cir****tances.

watch me

water clone = made of water

water prison = made of water

zabuza knows how to do water prison. he needs water to do it. water clones are made of water.

gaara wasn't shown to even know he could create his own sand, let alone control sand that wasn't in his gourd/the gourd itself. this is not the same thing

Originally Posted by Nejifan

2. really? he tried to attack a high level elite jonin with easily blockable projectiles even in the mist at it's thickest instead of killing him without making a sound, which he has been reportedly able to do? where does that make sense?

same reason people don't chidori people in the face. what our doing right now is arguing against choices kishimoto made, not something zabuza can/can't do or did/didn't do. he clearly knew where kakashi was. as to why he used projectiles? either stupidity or cautiousness.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1. If you were here, I'd kick your hind parts. I'm getting real sick of you twisting my words. you need to learn how to read into the meaning behind what is said instead of just what was said. you also need to learn not to take things out of context. experience as in total number of kills and experience as in having faced a technique before ARE NOT THE SAME.

who could possibly think you were talking about KILLS the first time you said experience. please, anyone. someone out there tell me what you thought he meant when he said "experience doesn't count in this tournament" or whatever it was he said was meant as just killing experience and not experience in general

please, everyone who reads this post and tell me what you thought he meant when he said that

ever stop to think its not me who misinterprets you but you who can't get his meaning across? why is it automatically my fault? maybe once or twice it was my fault, but this time at the very least, no one should be expected to think you meant kill count in that sentence. nothing even HINTED that is what you meant

Originally Posted by Nejifan

2. like h.e.l.l. it was. sasuke with 0 sharingan kept up with a (supposedly) 4 speed haku. with 2 TOMOE he couldn't keep up with a roughly 2.5 speed lee.

haku didn't have a 4 in taijutsu speed, that much is certain. if he did, he sure as heck didn't use it against sasuke.

man your right. i should have read the datebooks more carefully. i totally skipped over the taijutsu speed stat. I'm sorry, I'll try not to let it happen again sir. had i noticed that stat i never would have made such a ludicrous statement

Originally Posted by Nejifan

3. water prison needs a LOT of water

i know, it was truly a terribly large amount of water needed. i mean kisame used his water clones but there's a whole 5 inches <roughly> difference between them. there's no way that the mist surrounding them, the body of water nearby, or his own clearly water based chakra could be enough to fill such a massive gap