Kakashi Cup: Round 2 Uzumaki Naruto vs. Hyuuga Neji

[hahonryuu]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

1. 1st bold: I agree. however this neji IS 'that much stronger', which is why I don't believe naruto would have a greater advantage than he did in the chunin exams.

i disagree. like i said, i believe neji has the upper hand, but that doesn't mean everything i said in behalf of naruto was a lie. i think his speed is at LEAST on par with neji's, if not faster, once he starts really using the kyuubi <1 tail>. and 1 tail fighting style is quite hard to deal with

Originally Posted by Nejifan

2. the bolded part of the gvn fight is what I was referring to. he was already pretty tired when he summoned up that huge burst of chakra. I don't even remember why I brought this up at this point, but that is the scene I was referring to nonetheless.

i don't think he was that tired. he only used a few clones. he did get smacked around a little, but we've known since first chapter/episode that naruto was capable of making a ridiculous amount of clones. i don't think the relatively small amount he made had any real impact on his chakra...of course i also forget why you brought this up >_>

Originally Posted by Nejifan

3. not exactly a fair statement considering the fact that we've never seen anyone last more than a minute or two against naruto in tailed mode.

no, but we've seen naruto use much more than 1 tail over time. it happened once with jiriaya, happened against deidara, happened against oro, happened a couple times during the rasenshuriken training, happened big time against pain, and sorta happened in his control kyuubi training.

and if your saying that any method of increased healing does that then you can add in the times with sage mode as well.

really, i don't think his life is in any danger in this fight, even if i did agree with you. especially since apparently uzumaki's have more than normal seeing as their clan was known for longevity.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

4. that doesn't mean they are the only ones who can, that just means they are the only ones who we know were proficient at it. I was speaking in hypotheticals anyway. Look at jirobo. even after using the earth style dome on the 5 of them he was 'still hungry' for chakra, meaning he wasn't at max. even draining chakra consumed some. My whole point was that even if you formed a rasengan, and COULD pull the chakra from it back into you, you'd still lose chakra.

unless of course he literally means hungry and his chakra absorption methods don't actually give him chakra but sustenance. not to mention that i imagine keeping the dome up must take up chakra. and yeah there MIGHT be more of them out there, but we only have those 4 to work off of.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

5. see why I chose to compare DBZ as the logical example?

i can see why YOU did, but i still don't think it as a very good example since things obviously work differently here in the naruverse.

Originally Posted by Nejifan

6. the blood example is no different than the ipod. you are still not grasping the concept properly. if you can 'move something by will', that in and of itself, means that whatever you want to happen happens (provided you still have the chakra for it).

that doesn't mean it would be easy like your assuming. you make it sound like just because it can be done, it will be done and will be done easily

Originally Posted by Nejifan

7. HA! I win

no, i win. you're just on the winning team

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

i disagree. like i said, i believe neji has the upper hand, but that doesn't mean everything i said in behalf of naruto was a lie. i think his speed is at LEAST on par with neji's, if not faster, once he starts really using the kyuubi <1 tail>. and 1 tail fighting style is quite hard to deal with



i don't think he was that tired. he only used a few clones. he did get smacked around a little, but we've known since first chapter/episode that naruto was capable of making a ridiculous amount of clones. i don't think the relatively small amount he made had any real impact on his chakra...of course i also forget why you brought this up >_>



no, but we've seen naruto use much more than 1 tail over time. it happened once with jiriaya, happened against deidara, happened against oro, happened a couple times during the rasenshuriken training, happened big time against pain, and sorta happened in his control kyuubi training.

and if your saying that any method of increased healing does that then you can add in the times with sage mode as well.

really, i don't think his life is in any danger in this fight, even if i did agree with you. especially since apparently uzumaki's have more than normal seeing as their clan was known for longevity.



unless of course he literally means hungry and his chakra absorption methods don't actually give him chakra but sustenance. not to mention that i imagine keeping the dome up must take up chakra. and yeah there MIGHT be more of them out there, but we only have those 4 to work off of.





i can see why YOU did, but i still don't think it as a very good example since things obviously work differently here in the naruverse.




that doesn't mean it would be easy like your assuming. you make it sound like just because it can be done, it will be done and will be done easily



no, i win. you're just on the winning team

How is he on the winning team there hasn't been a reasonable arguement as to how Neji would get past the cloak or how he'd be able to seemingly avoid the kyuubi's chakra limbs forever. Or how if he one normal Naruto punch ended the last fight with Neji a majorly enhanced Kyuubi Naruto's attack wouldn't end this one. We all know is over if Neji takes a rasengan. Or even the fact there hasn't been an attack that Neji has done that Naruto hasn't taken and got back up from except Eight Gates Assault. Naruto has this and threfore I'm on the winning team.
Oh and I forgot about the whole super healing factor.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by codecatx5

How is he on the winning team there hasn't been a reasonable arguement as to how Neji would get past the cloak or how he'd be able to seemingly avoid the kyuubi's chakra limbs forever. Or how if he one normal Naruto punch ended the last fight with Neji a majorly enhanced Kyuubi Naruto's attack wouldn't end this one. We all know is over if Neji takes a rasengan. Or even the fact there hasn't been an attack that Neji has done that Naruto hasn't taken and got back up from except Eight Gates Assault. Naruto has this and threfore I'm on the winning team.
Oh and I forgot about the whole super healing factor.

A: you are not a judge so you don't decide who the winning team is.

B: have you even been reading our posts? neji is more than likely as fast as naruto is with the cloak. Also, neji can take quite a beating, it's not like he's going down easy. anything less than rasengan wont finish him in time. also, he won't be losing track of where naruto is anytime soon since he can see in all directions (at this point he basically has no blindspot).

and fyi, when in the cloak, naruto takes more damage than he heals from. in literally what was a couple minutes he lost the use of an entire arm. think about what happens if he uses it for longer. once his arms are done, he can't win. point is, neji doesn't HAVE to get around the cloak, because it destroys naruto on it's own.

other thing is, since you obviously don't pay attention, naruto is not going to start the fight using 9 tails chakra, it must be provoked. 100% motivation doesn't change naruto's personality or beliefs. he will still only use it as a last resort.

[codecatx5]

Originally Posted by Nejifan

A: you are not a judge so you don't decide who the winning team is.I'm asserting this no judge required.

B: have you even been reading our posts? neji is more than likely as fast as naruto is with the cloak. Also, neji can take quite a beating, it's not like he's going down easy. anything less than rasengan wont finish him in time. also, he won't be losing track of where naruto is anytime soon since he can see in all directions (at this point he basically has no blindspot).I skimmed them but alot of it had nothing to really do with the fight. Now I don't know why anyone would think Neji is as fast and a one tailed Naruto but regardless his physical body is definately not the only thing chasing Neji and I don't care about his blind spots the area is really big enough to think that Neji can sit there and dodge a slew of chakra limbs the actual Naruto and the occasional chakra roar that can easily blow a ninja away. Then it's still being hit with the Kyuubi's chakra the thing that almost killed Orochimaru on contact because he decided to punch it if you think Neji won't burn from posoinous chakra your wrong.

and fyi, when in the cloak, naruto takes more damage than he heals from. in literally what was a couple minutes he lost the use of an entire arm. think about what happens if he uses it for longer. once his arms are done, he can't win. point is, neji doesn't HAVE to get around the cloak, because it destroys naruto on it's own.Regardless Naruto is known for his I'm not giving up attitude and not going down despite massive amounts of damage being done to him. If you notice he lost feeling in his right arm after a already extensive battle that he already almost died in Sasuke's chidori was already in him. Aside from that if you notice the whole body going numb thing isn't recurring even with him going 2+ tails and even then that doesn't stop the cloak from attacking. Even in a game of time there is just no way Neji is gonna stall long enough aside from that I hear the fox likes living enough to ensure the job so if it did come down to Naruto's body going numb and he left out of one tailed mode to recover he'd recover at the speed he did when Sasuke hit him which was **** fast.

other thing is, since you obviously don't pay attention, naruto is not going to start the fight using 9 tails chakra, it must be provoked. 100% motivation doesn't change naruto's personality or beliefs. he will still only use it as a last resort.While heightened emotions are generally how he does it he does know how to go within himself and ask for the chakra from the fox which works just as well it's like like anything else he'll use what he finds to be appropriate which just as he found the Shukakku to be a appropriate excuse to summon Gamabunta he could see it as a reason to use to go one tail. Either scenario is plausable but I bet with this wish on the line he see's it as enough reason to go fox mode that's provacation in itself.

Response are in the bold. As Hahonryu said the whole wait it out thing is a pathetic excuse for a plan against Naruto and I don't believe it would work.

[Nejifan]

I'm asserting this no judge required. chill it was a joke


I skimmed them but alot of it had nothing to really do with the fight. Now I don't know why anyone would think Neji is as fast and a one tailed Naruto

perhaps because this neji is a 4.5/5 in speed. naruto's pre-kyuubi speed is a mere 3. 1 tail would have to give him 1.5 boost in speed, just to MATCH neji.

but regardless his physical body is definately not the only thing chasing Neji

no, but the chakra doesn't attack any faster than naruto himself does.

and I don't care about his blind spots the area is really big enough to think that Neji can sit there and dodge a slew of chakra limbs

A: it's a pretty big area. B: the chakra limbs aren't that big. they are roughly the size of sasuke, so basically the size of a 12 year old boy. neji is 16 and significantly larger than sasuke was.

the actual Naruto and the occasional chakra roar that can easily blow a ninja away. Then it's still being hit with the Kyuubi's chakra the thing that almost killed Orochimaru on contact because he decided to punch it

uh, when did this happen? 1 tail naruto never went near orochimaru. and 4 tail didn't even come close to killing him. also, 4 tail is exponentially stronger than 1 tail, easly 20x the power.
if you think Neji won't burn from posoinous chakra your wrong.

um, sasuke got surrounded by it and was fine.

Regardless Naruto is known for his I'm not giving up attitude and not going down despite massive amounts of damage being done to him.

aside from the fox healing, his body is no more durable than neji's is. and when using 1 tail, he doesn't have fox healing.

If you notice he lost feeling in his right arm after a already extensive battle that he already almost died in Sasuke's chidori was already in him.

Aside from that if you notice the whole body going numb thing isn't recurring even with him going 2+ tails and even then that doesn't stop the cloak from attacking.

A: naruto has only gone over 1 tail in combat twice, and never for more than a minute or two. and the cloak has never attacked other than at the final valley. besides, if naruto goes 2+ tails in this fight, he's auto-disqualified. There is only a certain amount of 9 tails chakra he can use before that. Once he uses up the first tail of chakra, he's done. His only options at that point are to proceed to tail 2 and lose, or shut it off. I don't think you realize that this neji is easily STRONGER (not in literal strength, just overall) than state 2 sasuke was at the final valley.

Even in a game of time there is just no way Neji is gonna stall long enough aside from that I hear the fox likes living enough to ensure the job so if it did come down to Naruto's body going numb and he left out of one tailed mode to recover he'd recover at the speed he did when Sasuke hit him which was **** fast.

the healing factor outside of fox chakra is preset and unalterable. even the fox can't change how fast naruto heal's at will.

While heightened emotions are generally how he does it he does know how to go within himself and ask for the chakra from the fox which works just as well it's like like anything else he'll use what he finds to be appropriate which just as he found the Shukakku to be a appropriate excuse to summon Gamabunta he could see it as a reason to use to go one tail. Either scenario is plausable but I bet with this wish on the line he see's it as enough reason to go fox mode that's provacation in itself.

you missed the point entirely. naruto has never and will never be motivated more than he was at the final valley. it's not possible. There is NOTHING naruto wants more than to get sasuke back, ergo, the motivation he has now is the exact same motivation he had at the final valley. Just because he can activate the fox chakra at will doesn't mean he's going to. NO MATTER WHAT IT'S HIS LAST RESORT. THAT WON'T CHANGE. get it through your head. Until naruto has 0 options HE WILL NOT USE IT.

[hahonryuu]

can't believe i could disagree so much with someone im on the same side as =/

codecatx5: sasuke got hit plenty by naruto and wasn't burning up or acting poisoned. i dont think1 tail fox chakra is concentrated enough to have that effect. maybe with prolonged exposure <haah sounds like i talking about radiation XD> but long story short, i dont think neji's has to worry about when it comes to coming in physical contact with 1 tail naruto...well, you know, aside the obvious "get attacked" part lol

nejifan: honestly, naruto is probably 4.5 or higher with just fangs/claws, forget tail. you really just sound like you are being overly stubborn at this point. and don't go telling him "have you even been reading our posts" as though we both came to an agreement. we haven't agreed about the speed of kyuubi naruto once so far =/. as for the chakra limbs not being that big...they aren't limited to what you see around naruto normally. they can stretch out and attack from a range, and when naruto grabbed sasuke, the chakra hand was the size of sasuke's torso. so they can become the size of a small person. naruto's durability, well there is that nifty chakra shield he has. and there is no "if naruto goes 2 tails, he's auto disqualified"...that's just not going to happen. he is completely limited to 1 tail. its not that he's consciously holding back the others. its that this tournament make sit impossible for him to go further then that.

i agree with you on who wins, but your points really suck for the most part

as i said in the other thread, keep going if you wish, but unless you have some fight altering argument <which if you do, why haven't you used it>, then this fight is over. winners of the rounds will be announced "tomorrow" <its already technically monday so it will happen later today> when the new thread's are up.

[Nejifan]

Originally Posted by hahonryuu

can't believe i could disagree so much with someone im on the same side as =/

codecatx5: sasuke got hit plenty by naruto and wasn't burning up or acting poisoned. i dont think1 tail fox chakra is concentrated enough to have that effect. maybe with prolonged exposure <haah sounds like i talking about radiation XD> but long story short, i dont think neji's has to worry about when it comes to coming in physical contact with 1 tail naruto...well, you know, aside the obvious "get attacked" part lol

nejifan: honestly, naruto is probably 4.5 or higher with just fangs/claws, forget tail. you really just sound like you are being overly stubborn at this point. and don't go telling him "have you even been reading our posts" as though we both came to an agreement. we haven't agreed about the speed of kyuubi naruto once so far =/. as for the chakra limbs not being that big...they aren't limited to what you see around naruto normally. they can stretch out and attack from a range, and when naruto grabbed sasuke, the chakra hand was the size of sasuke's torso. so they can become the size of a small person. naruto's durability, well there is that nifty chakra shield he has. and there is no "if naruto goes 2 tails, he's auto disqualified"...that's just not going to happen. he is completely limited to 1 tail. its not that he's consciously holding back the others. its that this tournament make sit impossible for him to go further then that.

i agree with you on who wins, but your points really suck for the most part

as i said in the other thread, keep going if you wish, but unless you have some fight altering argument <which if you do, why haven't you used it>, then this fight is over. winners of the rounds will be announced "tomorrow" <its already technically monday so it will happen later today> when the new thread's are up.

1st bold. I still find that highly doubtful, since If that were true then he would be FASTER than might guy or itachi when in his 1 tail form (since it's exponentially faster than when he is just clawed/fanged, meaning it would give him greater speed boost than the 1.5 he got from fangs/claws, meaning that at minimum he would be a 5.5 or 6 in speed.). besides, that's not even the main point. the point is, that since its a fact that naruto wont start the battle in fox mode, he will die before he gets a chance to use it.

2nd bold: how does that go against anything I said? I said that he was limited to 1 tail. the 9 tails chakra is sectioned off by tails. it's not like naruto can use 100% of the kyuubi chakra without going to higher tails. my point was that SINCE HE CANNOT GO 2 TAIL+ he HAS to turn it off when he's at the point of ultimatum.