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Originally Posted by allanime01

I don't think he's the real OBITO. There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

well that might be a tad harsh. this is a fictional world. virtually anything is possible so long as its within the rules of the universe its in. and we've seen that people can get monstrously strong over a very short time period.

don't get me wrong, im not saying it makes the most sense ever, I'm with you. him going from worst uchiha ever to being able to not instantly get roflpwned by ANBU and minato and being able to summon and control kurama out there. but its far from "not feasible".

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241.
page 19).
"Of course those in the ninja world who break the.
rules and regulations are called trash... but those
who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash."
Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

people can be bad for pretty dumb reasons. if kishimoto, god forbid, says its because kakashi didn't protect rin or something, as dumb as that is...then thats it. the god of naruto will have spoken.

hopefully he is possessed or brainwashed or something. but if kishimoto has proven one thing, its that he doesnt deserve our benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501.
page 7).
"Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for.
this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been roughly 15-17 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

better argument than anything in that other thread and I agree.

while i do agree, there is still a problem with that, in that wordings like that are...subjective. sure it could be that he's been waiting 10 20 30+ years...but when you want something really bad, every second can be excruciating. if he had been wanting to do this for even a couple of years. sitting, waiting. hoping for his chance to come...i could still see him saying that.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognized Tobi.
(chapter 501 page 8 ).
The Kyuubi actually recognizes Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognize anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognized Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

also better than anything in that other thread. see when stupidity isnt spouted off every other word im very agreeable. it is odd that this happened and i count it as further proof of it not being obito in any more than body.

doesnt mean there arent potential holes. the holes arent big, but hey, kishimoto, again, is terrible so i feel like i should say them anyway.

for starters, minato trained obito. kushina is married to minato. chances are, obito met kushina. meaning that, in a weird way, kurama has met obito. or knew of him, i should say. also IIRC tobi didnt take his mask off or anything so unless, assuming he is really old, he was always going around in that mask...kurama was just assuming things. and since the only known people to have controlled him are the sage, hashirama, and madara, and considering of those 3 only 1 has sharingan, he may have simply came to the conclusion it was madara.

also, assuming this is someone possessing obito's body, unless he prefers rotting corpses, I'd assume this guy got to obito's body relatively soon after his death (or "death" i should say) in kakashi gaiden. meaning he would have been in obito's body at the time. meaning kurama recognized obito's body if anything.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503.
page 9).
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

now i would normally agree, however in the recent chapter kishimoto has proven he doesnt give a crap about how old a character is and he'll draw them however he wants whenever he wants.

also, people get effected by puberty differently. its not impossible obito had a massive growth spurt.

I'd be much more inclined to be with you on this one had kishimoto not taken a massive dump on character ages recently.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out.
(chapter 500-504).
If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other.
Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognized him, but he didn’t.

except he was in a mask, he was using a completely different fighting style than the obito he knew, obito was a good kid, obito was supposed to be dead, and obito wasnt on this level.

pretty weak this time. minato isnt psychic nor has he been shown to be able to sense chakra or anything like that. how was he supposed to recognize him when his face fighting style and personality are completely different and he isnt capable of sensing chakra.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560.
page 2).
"This is HIS doing."
That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara.
could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes.
shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15).
This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

I have nothing to say. I applaud you. again, if you guys had been saying stuff like THIS in that other thread, we would have had zero issues.

indeed it makes no sense for madara to know obito and now it being obito will require madara to have been talking about someone else (not impossible but shifty as heck) or for kishimoto to pull off the worst writing ever and somehow make obito know madara

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter.
462 page 14).
Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

like the above i agree 100%. however unlike above, potentially finding ways around this is a bit easier

-at the time tobi was still going by madara. that technically could have just been him saying things

-perhaps it didnt translate well and what he was basically doing was comparing naruto to hashiramas ideals and the like. basically comparing him to textbook type stuff.

a long shot but not as long as the previous one

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512.
page 9).
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole.
from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

true true. it would take some pretty bad writing to turn this around.

Originally Posted by allanime01

Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge.
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the
Bijuu, and the Juubi.

knowledge isnt much of an excuse. knowledge can be learned by anyone. i mean considering the other reasons it cant be obito that you've said, yeah. but this doesn't necessarily add to it.

Originally Posted by allanime01

AND IN MY OPINION, THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL. Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.

true story

Originally Posted by allanime01

(allanime note: You know what character meets and greets all this? Tobimara Senju

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