Debate 2: Sharingan/Byakugan(Continued)
Team 4ThePwn: You are correct that both are similar when it comes to spotting jutsu, but as you'll come to find in our closing statement, the Byakugan does so much more. Also, regardless of functionality, seeing more is still better than seeing less. With the Byakugan, you can watch multiple targets readying jutsu, while the Sharingan has a smaller range to work with.
Now on the topic of elemental affinity, you must understand that there's nothing wrong with only being able to copy jutsu of the user's own affinity, we were simply saying that there is likely a limit. You say it seems unlikely that Kakashi would not be able to use even a basic fire jutsu, but then, wouldn't he have had better methods to counter Kakuzu if he really had copied jutsu from every element?
You also say that looking away from an opponent's eyes is foolish, but allowing oneself to be trapped in genjutsu is even more foolish. While it is true that it would be tough to be effective using a new method, given the options, Guy's method was still the best at the time and we are merely saying that there is a way to counter the Sharingan, not that it is a universal, 100% effective method.
On the topic of taijutsu, there are a few things for us to say. First, slightly off topic, the Raikage is named A, not E. We don't actually even know Bee's speed yet, but we can agree that he is fast. Still, while A and Bee are indeed fast, that doesn't mean that they should be the benchmark for what it takes to hit a Sharingan-user. There's still the fact that Zabuza did get in a clean hit on Kakashi. They fought on a pretty even level during their first encounter, you can't discount that. His 4 speed was enough to land a ht on Kakashi, an experienced Sharingan-user with the same speed.
Seriously, still with the Lee thing? It really isn't relevant to this conversation, but it does show the level of delusion you guys are under if you think that Sasuke had any way to escape receiving the Lotus. There was no reason at all for Sasuke to let himself get between halfway to death. For starters, he's too proud for that. Then there's the fact that Sasuke's reaction was basically "what sorcery is this?" That's not the reaction of a man that has the situation under control. The one thing it does do is show the limitations of the two tomoe Sharingan. Still, that's not really what we're talking about, so we'll move on.
The stat pool that we created is a bit better for the Uchiha, but that's because Uchiha tend to have that sword of "shape" to their stats. The stats were just to put an end to the conversation of what constitutes average, so there would be no more of you using Hinata for our example and Itachi for your example. Still, the stats are fair and given what we've seen, the Hyuuga has all the proper statistical values to best the Uchiha in battle. On that note, it is true that from the ninja we've seen, the Uchiha have produced better ninja, but that still speaks nothing of averages or standards. Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara are all extremely powerful, but that speaks nothing of where characters like Fugaku, Shisui, Tekka, Yashiro, and Inabi stand in comparison to the known Hyuuga, or even the clan in general. It is nice to see that you accept our stats though, because we have all the stats that we need for victory. Observe:
Ninjutsu: You win. Congratulations on winning in ninjutsu, a stat that Hyuuga hardly need to focus on.
Taijutsu: We win. Beating us here, in our "element" would have been detrimental, unlike ninjutsu.
Genjutsu: You win. Same deal as ninjutsu.
Intelligence: You win, but not by an extreme amount. Anyway, Neji is a 3 in intelligence, even as Jounin, so it's not bad.
Strength: You win. It is the Gentle Fist, Strength is irrelevant.
Speed: We tied. Zabuza proved equal speed, and more importantly, 4 in that stat, is enough for a clean hit on even an experienced Sharingan-user. After all, we only need a glancing hit to do damage.
Stamina: We win because the Uchiha are shown to have rather low stamina, which is important, especially if a fight drags out.
Seal: We tied, but this stat is fairly irrelevant for both of us here, so whatever. At best, it would be used to tell what sort of jutsu is coming.
It's really funny that you only take the stats we provided into account, completely ignoring techniques. Certainly, that sounds like the type of thing that PsychoKarin would say; he is in love with stats so very much. You should consider that we've seen many times that stats are not the only relevant factor, they are simply a gauge by which to measure people's abilities relative to others. Shikamaru vs. Hidan, Sasuke vs. Deidara, and any fight with Naruto are a few examples where stats alone did not decide everything. Then there are people like Rock Lee who are horrible in many stats, but outstanding in a few key fields. In our closing statement, you will see how a Byakugan-user can counter a Sharingan-user.
You also underestimate the value of experience. Firstly, experience gives a Byakugan-user better range, which is never a bad thing. Whether it be scouting ahead to discover an ambush, so that their team won't die, or watching the changing room from the comfort of one's own home instead of at the bathhouse, range is always a good thing. It is true that the Byakugan relies less on experience, but it doesn't change the fact that the time it takes to manifest the Sharingan is still a weakness. It also isn't up to the user when it manifests, because ninja don't exactly get to pick and choose their missions. Naruto was a special case when he asked for a better mission during the Zabuza arc and everyone showed great surprise and mortification when he did so. Most people are not as shameless as Naruto is and would simply follow the orders of the Hokage, regardless of boredom, because a ninja is supposed to be a tool. And how does your Obito example make sense? He was a Chuunin during a time of war and he was teamed up with Kakashi and Minato, why would he not be going on dangerous missions? You Minato got a flee on site order from the Rock because he was always picking weeds? No, it's because he killed a lot of guys. You think Kakashi became a Jounin at 13 by capturing escaped cats? It's doubtful that the Daimyou's wife has that much political clout.
You're just making things up about the detail thing. Your example assume you have the same amount of perceptive ability as a Byakugan-user. There's no evidence that ever shows a Byakugan-user caught off guard because of details, nor is there anything to suggest that the Sharingan is better at picking up details the Byakugan might miss. Quite the contrary, even when Neji was being attacked from all sides by Kidoumaru, the only attacks he missed where the ones from his blind spot, so what makes you think otherwise? And saying that Noticing a Shadow Clone would stop Neji from losing is kind of foolish, considering his Byakugan was deactivated and it can't even tell Shadow Clones from a real person anyway. Though it would have been useful to see through him and see the hole, though as we said, his Byakugan was not active.
We have a serious question for you guys and we'd like you to answer honestly, either in this thread or via PM. Do you guys work together at all? Do you put in any effort? Because you consistently take a week's time and continuously churn out really poor responses that are really just repeats of your last response. Do you do research? Where's your evidence? You guys just say things and we're left to confirm whether or not it is true. Now we can understand that you might have some busy times, but it's not like we don't too. We still find the time to at least talk about the subject daily, even when it is your turn. Please try to step up your game, because this is just getting sad