Debate 2: Sharingan/Byakugan (Continued)
You continually brush off the usefulness of being able to see the chakra network. Make no mistake, the Gentle Fist is not the only use of that function of the Byakugan. The ability to know when the opponent is gathering chakra and what areas have already been disabled is an invaluable tool for any ninja. The Sharingan has the ability to read muscle movement is indeed useful, but you might say that the Byakugan's ability to see a jutsu coming is the inverse of it.
On the other hand, you place too much stock in the Sharingan's copy ability. We know that the Sharingan can't use a jutsu that it does not meet the requirements for, yet here you are stating that it can copy any jutsu that is not a Kekkei Genkai. For one thing, the amount of chakra a jutsu costs is an important factor. Jiraiya also stated in Chapter 259, Page 9 that Genjutsu requires a high level of intellect, so saying that Itachi being a genius is moot seems a bit naive, don't you think? One other thing we'd like to point out is that there is the possibility that the Sharingan cannot use abilities not matching the user's affinity. In Chapter 315, Page 13, Yamato states that the Uchiha had fire nature chakra, so they were skilled with Fire Release jutsu. Further, in Chapter 113, Pages 7-8, Kakashi states that the reason he trained Sasuke is because they are the same type, implying that it might not be possible to teach Sasuke the Chidori if he did not have the proper affinity. To further back up this line of reasoning, we've only ever seen Kakashi use Earth, Water, and Lightning Release. Note that Kakashi used a Water Release jutsu in Chapter 142, Page 9, so saying that he has only ever used a water jutsu when copying someone is not necessarily a valid argument. It should also be noted that no Sharingan user has ever been shown to be able to use more than three elements. While we'll concede that this is not concrete evidence of anything, we'd like both of the judges and our opponents to consider the implications of the facts presented here when we say that we believe that elemental affinity is necessary when copying a jutsu.
It's barely even worth bothering to respond to your throwaway remark about getting killed by not looking at the opponent. Obviously, the statement about looking away referred to the eyes, rather than the individual as a whole.
Following a trend that should surprise no one, you are misunderstanding the point of the Cursed Seal. Everybody knows of the Byakugan, and the Sharingan for that matter, but they don’t know the inner workings, such as the blind spot, the secret of the Byakugan. Also, the Cursed Seal is used to seal the Byakugan's powers when the ninja dies to keep it in the Hyuuga clan.
We used Might Guy’s technique as an example to show that there are ways to counter the Sharingan. You apparently skipped the part where we said that it could be used in a pinch by a skilled ninja, otherwise, Guy would be unlikely to even bother suggesting Kurenai and Asuma use it. Also, although taking your eyes off your opponent doesn’t stop jutsu from being used, it does stop eye-to-eye genjutsu. Also, for you to say that Guy might not be able to even keep up with Kakashi is just ridiculous. In Chapter 13, Pages 4-5, we see that even Zabuza landed a solid blow on Kakashi, and they were both 4 in speed at the time. Compare that to Kakashi's current 4.5 vs. Guy's 5 and it is clear that Guy landing blows is entirely possible. On the topic of being able to hit those that have three tomoe, we see that Killerbee is able to get hits in on Sasuke, the most prominent being Chapter 411, Page 18.
Continuing on the topic of taijutsu, the idea that Sasuke would have been able to slip out of the Lotus is rather dubious. It was pretty clear Sasuke was in no position to respond and to say otherwise is little more than a fool's method of disregarding valid evidence. Whether a third tomoe would have helped Sasuke is irrelevant. He didn’t have, it so the point is moot. Also, just because a person knows of a move doesn’t mean they have a counter for it. It's the same basic principle as the one that a person can't always counter a move just because they see it coming. It is troubling to think that you still have not come to terms with that yet.
It is also troubling to think that you still don't seem to understand the concept of average. None of the people you have stated for either side are even remotely average. The fact of the matter is, we don't know what average is, period. Rather than taking specific users, it is far more reasonable to take the best abilities both have to offer, without irregularities that are specific to any single person i.e. Chidori, Itachi's genjutsu capabilities, Danzou's arm covered in Sharingan, and Obito's incompetence as a ninja, and apply them to a generic template to see which has the greatest potential. For the sake of ease, let's call them Uchiha Daisuke and Hyuuga Ichirou. Then let's assign them stats that are in line with their respective clans favored abilities. That would look something like:
Looking at the stat wheels of the known Uchiha and Hyuuga, we have come up with stats that, when graphed out, would not be much different in shape to all other members of the clan, regardless of competence level. Using this approach, we could easily debate which is stronger in a one-on-one battle. We'll leave it up to you to decide whether or not that seems fair.
“Now what time a ninja manifest's the Sharingan is partially up to the user.” This really made me laugh. This statement is ridiculous. How is it partially up to the user? A typical genin has very little in the way of stressful missions and we've seen that even Obito, a chuunin during wartime, didn't come into such a situation for two years. By the way, we were never arguing the intuitive nature of the Sharingan vs. the Byakugan, but you cannot deny that more experience is always preferable to less, which is in fact an advantage that every person born with the Byakugan has over every person who has to manifest the Sharingan.
You should also note that we never said that the Sharingan was completely useless against multiple opponents, we just said it wasn’t nearly as good as the Byakugan at fight several opponents. We say this because the Sharingan is just like a normal eye when it comes to fields of vision, whereas the Byakugan is like a 3rd person view of the fight, being able to see all around the user. Also, when you said even though a Byakugan-user is receiving the visual information doesn't mean his eyes can process it all, you are incorrect. We see clearly from Neji on several occasions that he has absolutely no trouble registering everything that is going around him.
On the topic of the Byakugan's ability to take in what is around it, what makes you think that the Sharingan is somehow better at recognizing details? How can you even attempt to justify that? The Byakugan can see more than the Sharingan, period. Once more, you appear to be being contrary to disregard a valid argument. What "details" do you think the Byakugan would miss that the Sharingan would catch while scouting?
Please try to act like reasonable people instead of just trying to counter everything we say. If there is something that you clearly weren't right about, just let it go and admit you've been beaten in that regard, because arguing poorly is probably not the best way to look good for the judges.