Debate 2: Sharingan/Byakugan(Continued)
Team 2: While it's ability to see chakra might not necessarily be a tribute to it's superiority it is a viable point seeing as it can allow the user to see whether you are about to use a technique and it also contributes to the copy abilities of the Sharingan.
In the situation that a Byakugan user is fighting a fully developed sharingan user you have to acknowledge that first the genjutsu could very well confuse and trick the Byakugan and that it would be extraordinarily difficult to not see something in the range of the Byakugans near 365 degree field of vision. Even very advanced jonin find it very troubling to be trapped in a genjutsu created by a fully developed Sharingan user. Also the hypnosis is very subtle and we can tell this from the fact that Zabuza didn't realize he was hypnotized until after his battle with Kakashi.
The fact that only the fully developed sharingan is only capable of predicting muscle movement because thats the same as stating that a young byakugan user couldn't use gentle fist which would be true due to lack of experience. This battle is which is more useful and developing the Sharingan to the 3rd tomoe is based on an individual ninja's skill not the doujutsu itself. But while speaking of it's prediction based abilities not many things can move at a speed where the ability wouldn't be able to react making the idea of the gentle fist style moot even Haku's speed in the crystal ice mirrors only barely allowed him to avoid Sasuke's fireball jutsu and this was just at 2 tomoe and the gentle fist techniques are not that fast nor are it's users. The fastest physical technique the Hyuga posses is clearly the 64 palms rotation with maybe it taking about a half of a second. But a complete sharingan would notice the technique almost before the chakra could be charged to use it giving the Sharingan user ample time to avoid it or counter it even before it starts.
Now while the gentle fist would still probably be a bad match up in close range combat the Uchiha are a diverse clan with techniques to match starting with their mastery of string manipulation and fire style techniques that are long range which is a bad scenario for the almost completely close range techniques of the Hyuga and unfortunately only truly advanced users of the Byakugan can use the one mid to long range technique which is the Air palm (seeing as Neji is the only Hyuga been seen to use it). So it would be a worse match up for the Hyuga rather than the Uchiha due to the fact they are at a disadvantage against long range fighters.
If you truly take an average user of both the byakugan and the Sharingan and placed them in a match obviously the Uchiha would still have an advantage due to their long ranged fire style techniques and advance shuriken and string manipulation techniques while an average Byakugan user would be incapable of using the most devastating techniques of their own clan such as their ultimate defense 64 palms rotation and the 8 trigram 64 palms technique.
Now back to the subject of the Sharingans copy abilities the sharingan can also copy physical skills such as advanced taijutsu and physical skills such as advanced speed it also is more than capable of memorizing any kind of movements such as the movements of some one using a pencil to copy what they are writing or memorizing any sequence or written document which also allows scouting missions to be of ease to a Uchiha. The ability to copy techniques of any non-doujutsu while simultaneously being able to place to caster under hypnosis and genjutsu makes the sharingan difficult to defeat.
Team 4ThePwn: We must reiterate that the ability to see chakra is an ability that the Byakugan also has, only better, so it's not really that helpful for the purposes of this debate. Further, what evidence do you have that the ability to see chakra is in any way correlated with the ability to copy jutsu?
While it is true that the Sharingan-user can potentially use a genjutsu on the Byakugan-user, you should take into account that someone such as a Hyuuga is adept at chakra control, it would be a simple feat to cancel genjutsu. In Chapter 259, Page 10, Jiraiya describes the basis of genjutsu negation, We then go on to see Naruto attempt to cancel a genjutsu that has been placed upon him. One thing that is particularly important about this scene is his ability to determine it is still a genjutsu on page 12-13. Even though the crows disappear and he is showered with shuriken, his immediate response is "this is genjutsu." If even Naruto can tell he is under a genjutsu cast by Itachi, then surely one of the Hyuuga, masters of perception, could notice one cast by your average Uchiha. Especially since, as you so handily put it, they would see the chakra flow of the Uchiha and therefore would know a jutsu was being used. And the hypnosis is hardly very subtle, Zabuza was just unaware of the capabilities of the Sharingan. Had he known it had the ability to cast genjutsu, he surely could have realized the situation.
And likening the development of the Sharingan to a Hyuuga learning the Gentle Fist is laughable. For starters, we see that Hyuuga train from a young age, as shown by Hinata and Hanabi. However, the Sharingan manifests later in life, seemingly during stressful moments and there is no clear catalyst for its development. Sasuke didn't just suddenly become a better ninja while fighting Naruto, his Sharingan developed, independent of training. It would be better to liken it to the distance that the Byakugan can see, which seems to develop over the years by means that have not yet been explained. Skill does not seem to be a factor at all. Face it, the development time of the Sharingan is indeed a downside.
Further, Haku was not the only one faster than 2 tomoe. You may recall Rock Lee with his weights on soundly destroyed Sasuke, even with the Sharingan. The Sharingan's ability to perceive fast things has it's limits, especially before 3 tomoe. Even then, If the speed were fast enough, even muscle prediction would not be enough. Being able to dodge the 64 Palms is a pretty bold claim, considering how fast it hits. Of course, that really isn't even a necessary move, since regular strikes already have a debilitating potential.
Calling the Uchiha clan divers is like calling an elephant small. Most clans are homogeneous by definition, with the Senju seeming to be the only one to break the trend. If you will recall, it was one of the main things that angered Itachi. The word you were probably looking for is versatile. By the way, it's funny you should mention the Fire Jutsu as long-range. Databook one describes Goukakyuu (Fireball) and Housenka (Phoenix Flower) as close-range attacks, while it describes Ryuuka (Dragon Flame) as mid-range, so those fire attacks would be placing the user in the danger zone is they hope to have any chance of hitting. And that string control? Remember what happened to Kidoumaru? Yeah...
Also, deciding who would win between average members depends on what your definition of an average member is. If we are taking someone with three tomoe, then obviously it is only fair to have a main branch member, so they would have access to their best stuff. We are also confident that a two tome-user could easily be dispatched without resorting to 64 Palms or Heavenly Spin.
Another thing, would people please stop saying that the Sharingan can copy speed? We've already been over this. You may want to look back on the previous debate and see where we disproved that ridiculous notion. That aside, the Sharingan can indeed copy many skills, but according to Databook 1, it can only use abilities that the user meets the requirements for. If it requires speed, they would need speed, if it requires chakra, they would need the necessary amount of chakra, and so forth.
The true strength of the Sharingan lies in 1-on-1 combat, which we believe that a Byakugan-user could still win. Both in and outside of battle, both on and off the battlefield, the Byakugan has many uses, while the Sharingan has relatively few. The Byakugan can be used for tracking, finding lost objects, cheating, analyzing opponent's chakra reserves, viewing the chakra system, determining if a person is affected by genjutsu, assessing enemy gear, scouting, and spying, both for on a mission or pleasure, if you know what I'm saying. Plus there are probably plenty of other uses we have missed.